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Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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I tried it, unfortunately doesn't seem to work on my laptop :/ I'm not sure what's the deal with it, seems to have some special hardware requirements. I can't fathom what these are, seeing as I have an ATI Radeon video card.

Atom processor?

I was under the impression that Atom is weaker than Core-i7

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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On it's current state it's pretty slow and bloated. Let's hope that on six months they can fix the suck. Kudos for trying something new and not copying OSX or Windows 7.

I wish they would copy Windows 7 a bit... a lot of the features in Win 7 that don't conflict with GNOME are really nice. Unrelated: GNOME still doesn't understand the concept of "chunking": You only want 5-7 items in a group for people to comprehend it best. When Ubuntu's System > Preferences drop-down has 25 items in it, you have a bad UI.

The flip side of chunking is the equally-bad UI known as "wading through menu trees". I personally prefer not having to deal with finding my way through half a dozen menu levels trying to remember where I found that admin tool that I don't use often enough to build muscle memory. If you want a friendlier UI, install the Control Panel app or whatever it's called that replaces those menus with a categorized list of big, pretty icons.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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I think it's a great move. They were wasting time and energy in spats with Gnome. Now they can do what they want with the desktop without anyone getting upset that they are not trying hard enough to work their changes in upstream or adding features that aren't wanted upstream.

> They were wasting time and energy in spats with Gnome. Gnome is much more than just metacity or gnome-shell. Even with Unity, Ubuntu will still depend on upstream gnome software for its desktop.

No one said they weren't going to include gnome software. This whole new ui issue stems from differences in opinion in UI/UX and there was a lot wasted going back and forth with Gnome about them.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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On it's current state it's pretty slow and bloated. Let's hope that on six months they can fix the suck. Kudos for trying something new and not copying OSX or Windows 7.

They claim the slowness is due to Mutter. They say the are moving (back?) to Compiz, and that it improves performance a lot. http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/25/ubuntu-11-04-to-ship-uni...

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish they would copy Windows 7 a bit... a lot of the features in Win 7 that don't conflict with GNOME are really nice. Unrelated: GNOME still doesn't understand the concept of "chunking": You only want 5-7 items in a group for people to comprehend it best. When Ubuntu's System > Preferences drop-down has 25 items in it, you have a bad UI.

The flip side of chunking is the equally-bad UI known as "wading through menu trees". I personally prefer not having to deal with finding my way through half a dozen menu levels trying to remember where I found that admin tool that I don't use often enough to build muscle memory. If you want a friendlier UI, install the Control Panel app or whatever it's called that replaces those menus with a categorized list of big…

I absolutely agree that a control panel window is the solution, not drop down menus. Drop downs should only be used for a small number of objects and trees, lest someone move their mouse 2px north of a path and lose ten seconds of careful navigations.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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On it's current state it's pretty slow and bloated. Let's hope that on six months they can fix the suck. Kudos for trying something new and not copying OSX or Windows 7.

Did you look at their Dock drawing and menu titles? Straight ripoff of the Mac OS X Dock and Dashboard dock.

In fairness, pretty much every user interface feature that isn't a command line has been copied from the mac at some point in the last 26 years.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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Is this a new C api [competing with KDE / QT and GTK] ?

Why not use Javascript/SVG/HTML5 for Linux desktop UI ? It will happen eventually, anyway, Im not the only person saying this.

The browser stack is a better alternative to X-Windows protocol, on balance - you can keep the advantages of client/server separation by using ajax+websockets.

Or go the Node.js route and expose OS parts as Javascript API.

Either way you'll have an environment many more people will enjoy hacking UI on, and therefore better chance of improving Linux desktop.

Although its open source, its still another API that is used nowhere else.. so its expensive for a developer to jump in.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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On it's current state it's pretty slow and bloated. Let's hope that on six months they can fix the suck. Kudos for trying something new and not copying OSX or Windows 7.

Did you look at their Dock drawing and menu titles? Straight ripoff of the Mac OS X Dock and Dashboard dock.

But if they invent something completely new, and Apple copies it Apple isn't 'ripping it off,' they are 'making it better' (e.g. 'Time Machine', 'Spotlight', etc).

Please leave these useless, 'OMG! They copied X!' comments off of HN. 'Standing on the shoulders of giants,' is how the tech world moves along.

Re: Mark Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu 11.04 will use desktop version Unity

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post #28

Is this a new C api [competing with KDE / QT and GTK] ? Why not use Javascript/SVG/HTML5 for Linux desktop UI ? It will happen eventually, anyway, Im not the only person saying this. The browser stack is a better alternative to X-Windows protocol, on balance - you can keep the advantages of client/server separation by using ajax+websockets. Or go the Node.js route and expose OS parts as Javascript API. Either way you…

Looks like you got a bit carried away. This is just a plain and simple window manager.
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