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Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by hamandcheese »

stephengillie wrote: post #120
azinman2 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except we have more time in the evenings after work than we do in the mornings before work. To me work should be 10-6.

Do you mean 9-6 or 10-7? I've done a 10-7 shift, it's miserable. Waste half your morning, and half your evening. You have to get ready for work when stores and banks are just opening, and you get home just as those shops are closing. I prefer 7-4 because it leaves a bit of late afternoon and the whole evening.

It’s possible to work 9-5 and still eat lunch.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by isostatic »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #79
toyg wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having someone say that, for example, “from tomorrow all your health data will be in Google Docs!” is likely to generate caos and harm people. Democratic government must operate on scales measured in decades, not months, and make sure to be as inclusive as possible (remote island with satellite internet? Probably will oppose any solution with 80mb of single-page JS. Etc etc). This makes for slow progress. It’s just h…

"“from tomorrow all your health data will be in Google Docs" Who is advocating that? Nobody. I didn't even infer that. What I want is some highly talented and organized people, like those from Google, to take over IT for Healthcare in Canada, and then shift our non-existent IT solutions over to something that works. Because right now it's a non-existent bureaucratic mess. "Modern society is just big and complex, no m…

> I didn't even infer that.

No you didn't. Toyg did. You implied it (arguably)

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by isostatic »

alexdumitru wrote: post #84
rossdavidh wrote: post #66

The assertion that the countries which do not use DST are "mostly in Africa and Asia" is an odd way to put it. The countries that DO use DST are more of the exception now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#/media/Fi...

Almost all of Europe will abolish DST this year.

Very unlikely. Next year perhaps, seems a fairly popular proposal.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by csomar »

toyg wrote: post #22
sonnyblarney wrote: post #4

Maybe a few months heads up would be nice. You know the world is integrated now: flights, trains, shipments etc. etc..

I think that’s the only real objection to this move. Any country is entitled to do what it wants regarding DST, but transitions should be orderly and planned well in advance, not imposed from one day to the next. I guess it shows how Morocco is not exactly a democratic country, so you get the classic tyrant-style decision-making here and there.

> I guess it shows how Morocco is not exactly a democratic country, so you get the classic tyrant-style decision-making here and there.

It has nothing to do with Democracy but incompetence. Many people think that democracy brings modernity and order. It is really the other way around.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by bostik »

eridius wrote: post #129
kmm wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious to know, what is the point of linking to solar time? What advantage is there to the Sun reaching its highest point at 12 'o clock? Most people are awake for about 6 hours before noon, and about 10 hours after. Most social events also happen after the work day. So our day is already shifted from what would logically follow from our clock. Being on +2 already feels like a compromise between the two. I'd lov…

I don't know a single person that is awake at 6am. Where does this "most people" claim come from?

I do.

Looks in the mirror.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by fyfy18 »

neonate wrote: post #17

I'm glad they decided to keep summer time. I live in fear that we'll decide to abolish DST but keep the darker evenings all year round.

For your location that may be an issue, but in other parts of Europe keeping summer time all year around will mean the sun doesn't rise until nearly 10am. The real issue here is such a large location is in the same timezone. The sun rises over 1 1/2 hours earlier in the East of Poland compared to the West of Spain, even though they are in the same timezone.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by [deleted] »

alexdumitru wrote: post #93
notanote wrote: post #89

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To clarify, the European Commission had a public consultation on DST[1]. The response was strongly in favour of ending the clock changes, and furthermore favoured permanent DST. The EC has called on member states to come up with an appropriate way of accommodating the public’s preference, telling them to coordinate so that time differences across borders are kept to a sensible minimum. No decision has been made yet t…

I had the feeling more states agreed already. In Romania we'll switch to winter time tomorrow and stick to it.

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Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by eloisant »

function_seven wrote: post #48
jstanley wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your timezone does not dictate how dark your evenings are. The days have exactly the same amount of daylight regardless of what numbers you choose to label the hours with.

Yours might not, but mine does. Evenings for me are from ~5pm to bedtime. Unfortunately they're determined by the clock, not the sun.

The point is saying summer time is better than winter time regardless you where you live is meaningless. Depending where you live, the offset with the sun is different.

In France for example I'd rather we stick with winter time all year round, because I don't care if it's dark at 6pm on winter but doing your morning commute during the night is highly depressing.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by eloisant »

Symbiote wrote: post #31

Can't we keep the link with solar noon? Morocco should be on UTC, most of the cities fit neatly in that timezone. They could have made this decision on Monday

That's how it works in Japan, and having lived there I don't think it's optimal.

You get 4:30am to 7pm in summer, and 8am to 6:30am to 4:30pm in winter. For most people, noon is not in the middle of the day (when they're waked up).

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