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Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by iav »

jstanley wrote: post #39
neonate wrote: post #17

I'm glad they decided to keep summer time. I live in fear that we'll decide to abolish DST but keep the darker evenings all year round.

Your timezone does not dictate how dark your evenings are. The days have exactly the same amount of daylight regardless of what numbers you choose to label the hours with.

Quite a few people work relative to market trading hours and customary times to hold earnings calls and roadshows. Sales people work around their store business hours. Schools have fixed schedules. Hours sadly dictate schedules for most people

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by zzo38computer »

kmm wrote: post #76
Symbiote wrote: post #31

Can't we keep the link with solar noon? Morocco should be on UTC, most of the cities fit neatly in that timezone. They could have made this decision on Monday

I'm curious to know, what is the point of linking to solar time? What advantage is there to the Sun reaching its highest point at 12 'o clock? Most people are awake for about 6 hours before noon, and about 10 hours after. Most social events also happen after the work day. So our day is already shifted from what would logically follow from our clock. Being on +2 already feels like a compromise between the two. I'd lov…

One advantage of solar noon is use of sundials.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by alexdumitru »

neonate wrote: post #17

I'm glad they decided to keep summer time. I live in fear that we'll decide to abolish DST but keep the darker evenings all year round.

Most of Europe will move to winter time tomorrow and also abolish DST and I have the same feelings about it as you. I prefer darker mornings than evenings, as I've never been an early riser.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by alexdumitru »

rossdavidh wrote: post #66

The assertion that the countries which do not use DST are "mostly in Africa and Asia" is an odd way to put it. The countries that DO use DST are more of the exception now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#/media/Fi...

Almost all of Europe will abolish DST this year.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by alexdumitru »

toyg wrote: post #26
Arubis wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Morocco in particular would benefit from synchronizing time changes with Spain as a major trade partner.

Spain will likely drop DST in a year or two, like most EU countries, but it’s not clear which side it will “land”. In this context, maybe Morocco is using this leap forward as a lobbying effort to nudge Spain towards the timezone it prefers.

Aren't they dropping it tomorrow?

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by village-idiot »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #30
toyg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that’s the only real objection to this move. Any country is entitled to do what it wants regarding DST, but transitions should be orderly and planned well in advance, not imposed from one day to the next. I guess it shows how Morocco is not exactly a democratic country, so you get the classic tyrant-style decision-making here and there.

I think it has nothing to do with Democracy. Frankly, central authority should make this kind of stuff easier because a central entity can take into consideration all of the bureaucracies and do what needs to be done. In Democracies, pushing through such changes has to be a nightmare - so many competing interests, populism, you have to find the right legislative window, legislation is burdened with irrelevant stuff,…

Or you end up like China with one timezone, much to the health detriment of those who live on the far edges.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by cmroanirgo »

kmm wrote: post #76
Symbiote wrote: post #31

Can't we keep the link with solar noon? Morocco should be on UTC, most of the cities fit neatly in that timezone. They could have made this decision on Monday

I'm curious to know, what is the point of linking to solar time? What advantage is there to the Sun reaching its highest point at 12 'o clock? Most people are awake for about 6 hours before noon, and about 10 hours after. Most social events also happen after the work day. So our day is already shifted from what would logically follow from our clock. Being on +2 already feels like a compromise between the two. I'd lov…

As I presume you know, Solar noon represents the highest point of the Sun in the day. It seems fitting that the 'work hours' should be 4 hrs either side of that (8am-4pm).

Being a 'sunlover' I'm regularly up before dawn so that I can catch the first rays of Sun as it crosses the horizon. To me it's the most beautiful part of the day. Unfortunately, we have semi-arbitrarily defined 'zones' that fluctuate 1hr because of the propagandist notion that extra daylight at the end of the day means more people will be outside enjoying the Sun. This DST causes my work day to suddenly shift so that I'm forced to go to work earlier than normal, & I miss a lot of sunrises as a result.

I like this idea of solar noon for times... Especially for overseas communications too... because we'd just need to know the longitude of the person to know their exact time. (Currently, I'm forced to use timeanddate.com to work out relative overseas times).

Where I am, the state to the North of me doesn't follow DST (Qld), whereas mine does (nsw) and it creates havoc around the beginning/end of DST.

So, at least for me, there are three reasons to use solar noon based time rather than the current system. I'm sure I could come up with more.

That said, I go to bed early too, and acknowledge that isn't the way most people live.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by jiveturkey »

zzo38computer wrote: post #82
kmm wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious to know, what is the point of linking to solar time? What advantage is there to the Sun reaching its highest point at 12 'o clock? Most people are awake for about 6 hours before noon, and about 10 hours after. Most social events also happen after the work day. So our day is already shifted from what would logically follow from our clock. Being on +2 already feels like a compromise between the two. I'd lov…

One advantage of solar noon is use of sundials.

can’t tell if you’re being funny or serious. making it all the more funny. either way, brilliant!

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by notanote »

alexdumitru wrote: post #83
neonate wrote: post #17

I'm glad they decided to keep summer time. I live in fear that we'll decide to abolish DST but keep the darker evenings all year round.

Most of Europe will move to winter time tomorrow and also abolish DST and I have the same feelings about it as you. I prefer darker mornings than evenings, as I've never been an early riser.

To clarify, the European Commission had a public consultation on DST[1]. The response was strongly in favour of ending the clock changes, and furthermore favoured permanent DST. The EC has called on member states to come up with an appropriate way of accommodating the public’s preference, telling them to coordinate so that time differences across borders are kept to a sensible minimum.

No decision has been made yet to either abolish DST, or move the clock forward one hour permanently, and it might not happen at all. The member states are supposed to reply before next summer, so that the switch to DST next spring could be the last time changing clocks in Europe.

[1]http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-5302_en.htm

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Post by azernik »

cmroanirgo wrote: post #87
kmm wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious to know, what is the point of linking to solar time? What advantage is there to the Sun reaching its highest point at 12 'o clock? Most people are awake for about 6 hours before noon, and about 10 hours after. Most social events also happen after the work day. So our day is already shifted from what would logically follow from our clock. Being on +2 already feels like a compromise between the two. I'd lov…

As I presume you know, Solar noon represents the highest point of the Sun in the day. It seems fitting that the 'work hours' should be 4 hrs either side of that (8am-4pm). Being a 'sunlover' I'm regularly up before dawn so that I can catch the first rays of Sun as it crosses the horizon. To me it's the most beautiful part of the day. Unfortunately, we have semi-arbitrarily defined 'zones' that fluctuate 1hr because o…

DST may be bad, but discrete (as opposed to continuous) time zones are not. Having decent-sized economic and social zones where clocks don't change at all is extremely useful, and is in fact the main reason time zones were invented.

I sure don't want to have to think about a few minutes of time difference between Oakland and Sacramento, after all.

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