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Morocco abruptly drops clock change
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#92Moroccan web developers right now: AAaAAAAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaaaAAAAAaaaAAaaAAAaAAAhhhHHHHHHH!!!!!
The developers I least envy are any that are tasked with maintaining a library that has anything to do with dates and time.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of Europe will move to winter time tomorrow and also abolish DST and I have the same feelings about it as you. I prefer darker mornings than evenings, as I've never been an early riser.
To clarify, the European Commission had a public consultation on DST[1]. The response was strongly in favour of ending the clock changes, and furthermore favoured permanent DST. The EC has called on member states to come up with an appropriate way of accommodating the public’s preference, telling them to coordinate so that time differences across borders are kept to a sensible minimum. No decision has been made yet t…
I had the feeling more states agreed already. In Romania we'll switch to winter time tomorrow and stick to it.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because that still doesn't solve the problem of having to know the local offset to know if a proposed time is reasonable for them, for say a meeting. It also makes it easier to talk to others, if they say "6pm" you think "dinner time" or "just off work" without having to know the location of the person, at the time they're talking about, which may not even be where they are.
Surely people would just start using some sort of utility that tells them 'people in X are usually awake between these hours'. It replaces an existing problem with a slightly different problem but the net gain is you remove all the annoying edge cases people currently have to deal with when converting between time zones. For example, no longer being confused about how long your flight lasts that traverses time zones.
A utility that converts UTC to a description of what subjective time of day it is... maybe even represented with numbers... congratulations! You've just reinvented local time zones!
This kind of local planning is far more common than long-range travel, and should be optimized for.
For edge cases involving cross-time-zone travel and communication, the solution I've seen implemented most often is to have two date-times shown in parallel. e.g. a flight is from 12:00 Pacific (4:00 Japan) - 14:00 Japan (22:00 Pacific).
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of Europe will move to winter time tomorrow and also abolish DST and I have the same feelings about it as you. I prefer darker mornings than evenings, as I've never been an early riser.
To clarify, the European Commission had a public consultation on DST[1]. The response was strongly in favour of ending the clock changes, and furthermore favoured permanent DST. The EC has called on member states to come up with an appropriate way of accommodating the public’s preference, telling them to coordinate so that time differences across borders are kept to a sensible minimum. No decision has been made yet t…
>To clarify, the European Commission had a public consultation on DST
A public consultation, conducted online, to which 4 million people (less that 1% of the population of Europe) answered. 3 million of those were from Germany.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Easier absolutely means something and I'm not suggesting we dump democracy. FYI - most of your government, wherever you are from, is run by bureaucratic edict, not by political means. The heads of government agencies often wield immense power and have no need to respond to voters interest because there's effectively too much 'on the ballot' so to speak, and too much mundane detail for voters to understand. An technic…
Having someone say that, for example, “from tomorrow all your health data will be in Google Docs!” is likely to generate caos and harm people. Democratic government must operate on scales measured in decades, not months, and make sure to be as inclusive as possible (remote island with satellite internet? Probably will oppose any solution with 80mb of single-page JS. Etc etc). This makes for slow progress. It’s just h…
But one person can say "We are now at war!" and the missiles start flying. That seems like a much more fraught decision than whether or not to stay on daylight saving time.
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#98I'd also like to see New England move to Atlantic Standard Time. I was there last winter and it got dark before 5pm!
Youd love Seattle, where sunset is at roughly 4:20 in late December. Otoh, it doesn't get truly dark until 10 in June.
Even moreso Spokane (or elsewhere in the easternmost parts of the PST zone, e.g. Las Vegas) where the sun has set even earlier ... say, 4-ish.
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#99Obligatory link to the tireless volunteers who maintain the timezone databases and cope with the last minute, sometimes even retrospective timezone changes. https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2018-October/027099.html
example retroactive change: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2018-October/027092.html this stuff really is fascinating
"El Pasoans were time rebels" :)
Oh that Johnny Yuma.
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#100Right now, this DST discussion will hang low on the front page, but a few months from now when we reverse it, you can bet that once again a discussion about DST will be the top story for at least a day and linger in our minds for two weeks until we promptly forget it.