Can't we keep the link with solar noon?
Morocco should be on UTC, most of the cities fit neatly in that timezone. They could have made this decision on Monday
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It’s the native spelling, a bit like Beijing vs Peking. I reckon he’s a Turk and so he’s entitled to call his homeland what he wants :)
No, the native spelling is 北京. Beijing and Peking are two different foreign spellings. The commenter who called it Türkiye claims to be from the USA in his or her bio.
Beijing is the transliteration preferred by Chinese authorities [1], not just “a foreign spelling”.
[1] https://www.economist.com/johnson/2010/11/11/beijing-or-peki...
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s the native spelling, a bit like Beijing vs Peking. I reckon he’s a Turk and so he’s entitled to call his homeland what he wants :)
No, the native spelling is 北京. Beijing and Peking are two different foreign spellings. The commenter who called it Türkiye claims to be from the USA in his or her bio.
The original commenter's HN profile links to his LI account here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nomadicengineer/ . He states that he lives in Turkey currently, but spent a lot of time in the US. Most famously, the commenter was the only sysadmin for frickin' Napster! Wow! So, yeah, he's legit!
Mr. Halligan, how was Napster back in those days? Like, do you have a blog about that time period?
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that’s the only real objection to this move. Any country is entitled to do what it wants regarding DST, but transitions should be orderly and planned well in advance, not imposed from one day to the next. I guess it shows how Morocco is not exactly a democratic country, so you get the classic tyrant-style decision-making here and there.
I think it has nothing to do with Democracy. Frankly, central authority should make this kind of stuff easier because a central entity can take into consideration all of the bureaucracies and do what needs to be done. In Democracies, pushing through such changes has to be a nightmare - so many competing interests, populism, you have to find the right legislative window, legislation is burdened with irrelevant stuff,…
“Easier” means nothing. All those checks and balances you despise, will often produce transition plans that are much more respectful of the overall system - precisely because an authority cannot steamroll arbitrary changes that might harm this or that legitimate interest.
Efficiency and correctness are not the same thing.
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#35I don't like DST and think that instead the time zone offset should be set so that 12:00 is at approximately solar noon, and then count the seconds without changing for DST or anything else.
Why is that important to you? Never once have I cared that solar noon is not 12:00.
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#36US should do the same. Drop DST please! but not abruptly with a Trumpy Tweet.
Time zones in the US are a matter for the sovereign states, not the federal government. There already exists at least one US member state that doesn’t practice DST: Arizona.
This was one of my favorite things about living in Arizona. Leaving work when it's dark out is no fun.
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#37Why can't we just get rid of time zones altogether and just use UTC exclusivsly? The amount of productivity lost to dealing with them is immeasurably high. I proposed this over dinner with some friends recently and they thought it was nuts, but within 20 minutes of discussion I think I had convinced most of them (or they just wanted me to shut up). Maybe once we colonise Mars and the meaning of a day becomes more vag…
Because that still doesn't solve the problem of having to know the local offset to know if a proposed time is reasonable for them, for say a meeting. It also makes it easier to talk to others, if they say "6pm" you think "dinner time" or "just off work" without having to know the location of the person, at the time they're talking about, which may not even be where they are.
Surely people would just start using some sort of utility that tells them 'people in X are usually awake between these hours'. It replaces an existing problem with a slightly different problem but the net gain is you remove all the annoying edge cases people currently have to deal with when converting between time zones. For example, no longer being confused about how long your flight lasts that traverses time zones.
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#38Brazil abruptly decided to delay the start of daylight savings time by a few weeks due to elections and a number of (unpatched?) Android phones showed the wrong time: https://androidcommunity.com/brazils-dst-change-inadvertentl...
I'm amazed that was the extent of it.
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#39I'm glad they decided to keep summer time. I live in fear that we'll decide to abolish DST but keep the darker evenings all year round.
Your timezone does not dictate how dark your evenings are. The days have exactly the same amount of daylight regardless of what numbers you choose to label the hours with.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are working remotely, I'm sure you will find the flexibility to adjust your working hours by at least 1-2 hours? By the way, is there a reason you called it Türkiye instead of Turkey?
It’s the native spelling, a bit like Beijing vs Peking. I reckon he’s a Turk and so he’s entitled to call his homeland what he wants :)
Funnily, I am the Turk in this conversation. I asked because I just found it weird. Not questioning anyone's entitlement^^