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Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

#21

I don't like DST and think that instead the time zone offset should be set so that 12:00 is at approximately solar noon, and then count the seconds without changing for DST or anything else.

Where I live, solar noon is around 11:30am. The sun rising at 4:30am and setting at 6:30pm in the summer is sad. It's even worse in the winter when the sun sets at 4:30pm.

(And I come from a country where solar noon is 2pm in the summer, making evenings quite enjoyable)

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

#22

Maybe a few months heads up would be nice. You know the world is integrated now: flights, trains, shipments etc. etc..

I think that’s the only real objection to this move. Any country is entitled to do what it wants regarding DST, but transitions should be orderly and planned well in advance, not imposed from one day to the next.

I guess it shows how Morocco is not exactly a democratic country, so you get the classic tyrant-style decision-making here and there.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

#23

Türkiye did this a few years ago. Working remotely from here for a California company has been less than fun during the winter as my work day now ends at 21:00, severely hampering evening social / music outings.

You are working remotely, I'm sure you will find the flexibility to adjust your working hours by at least 1-2 hours? By the way, is there a reason you called it Türkiye instead of Turkey?

It’s the native spelling, a bit like Beijing vs Peking. I reckon he’s a Turk and so he’s entitled to call his homeland what he wants :)

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

#24
Why can't we just get rid of time zones altogether and just use UTC exclusivsly? The amount of productivity lost to dealing with them is immeasurably high. I proposed this over dinner with some friends recently and they thought it was nuts, but within 20 minutes of discussion I think I had convinced most of them (or they just wanted me to shut up). Maybe once we colonise Mars and the meaning of a day becomes more vague, this will become the de facto way of communicating time.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are working remotely, I'm sure you will find the flexibility to adjust your working hours by at least 1-2 hours? By the way, is there a reason you called it Türkiye instead of Turkey?

It’s the native spelling, a bit like Beijing vs Peking. I reckon he’s a Turk and so he’s entitled to call his homeland what he wants :)

No, the native spelling is 北京. Beijing and Peking are two different foreign spellings.

The commenter who called it Türkiye claims to be from the USA in his or her bio.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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post #13

Can't imagine any part of Africa would benefit from daylight savings changes. Morocco only fluctuates between 10h and 14h of daylight at its extremes.

Morocco in particular would benefit from synchronizing time changes with Spain as a major trade partner.

Spain will likely drop DST in a year or two, like most EU countries, but it’s not clear which side it will “land”. In this context, maybe Morocco is using this leap forward as a lobbying effort to nudge Spain towards the timezone it prefers.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

#27
post #5

US should do the same. Drop DST please! but not abruptly with a Trumpy Tweet.

Time zones in the US are a matter for the sovereign states, not the federal government.

There already exists at least one US member state that doesn’t practice DST: Arizona.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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post #24

Why can't we just get rid of time zones altogether and just use UTC exclusivsly? The amount of productivity lost to dealing with them is immeasurably high. I proposed this over dinner with some friends recently and they thought it was nuts, but within 20 minutes of discussion I think I had convinced most of them (or they just wanted me to shut up). Maybe once we colonise Mars and the meaning of a day becomes more vag…

Because that still doesn't solve the problem of having to know the local offset to know if a proposed time is reasonable for them, for say a meeting.

It also makes it easier to talk to others, if they say "6pm" you think "dinner time" or "just off work" without having to know the location of the person, at the time they're talking about, which may not even be where they are.

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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post #24

Why can't we just get rid of time zones altogether and just use UTC exclusivsly? The amount of productivity lost to dealing with them is immeasurably high. I proposed this over dinner with some friends recently and they thought it was nuts, but within 20 minutes of discussion I think I had convinced most of them (or they just wanted me to shut up). Maybe once we colonise Mars and the meaning of a day becomes more vag…

Here is the standard answer to your question: https://qntm.org/abolish

The tldr; is that humans still operate more or less on the cycle of the sun

Re: Morocco abruptly drops clock change

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post #22

Maybe a few months heads up would be nice. You know the world is integrated now: flights, trains, shipments etc. etc..

I think that’s the only real objection to this move. Any country is entitled to do what it wants regarding DST, but transitions should be orderly and planned well in advance, not imposed from one day to the next. I guess it shows how Morocco is not exactly a democratic country, so you get the classic tyrant-style decision-making here and there.

I think it has nothing to do with Democracy. Frankly, central authority should make this kind of stuff easier because a central entity can take into consideration all of the bureaucracies and do what needs to be done.

In Democracies, pushing through such changes has to be a nightmare - so many competing interests, populism, you have to find the right legislative window, legislation is burdened with irrelevant stuff, bureaucracies are resistant to change etc..

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