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Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by edw519 » Wed, May 07, 2008, 12:54 AM UTC

ovi256 wrote: post #75

menloparkbum wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the point, he's trying to be an insulting troll, or at least bait the OP. His comment is almost incoherent so it can be misread as some weird guy who hasn't kept up to date on xtian usury prohibitions.

It was trollish and I was trying to bait the OP, in the sense that it was completely off-topic and that I was suggesting the OP was an hypocrite. Which I still believe to be true. Duh. Christianity and usury? I thought it was obvious for everyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#New_Testament I would have liked to know how the OP solves the cognitive dissonance between his beliefs and the accepted practices of tod…

"I would have liked to know how the OP solves the cognitive dissonance between his beliefs and the accepted practices of today's world."

All you ever had to do was ask.

My email address in is my profile.

Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by edw519 » Wed, May 07, 2008, 12:57 AM UTC

menloparkbum wrote: post #80

ovi256 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was trollish and I was trying to bait the OP, in the sense that it was completely off-topic and that I was suggesting the OP was an hypocrite. Which I still believe to be true. Duh. Christianity and usury? I thought it was obvious for everyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#New_Testament I would have liked to know how the OP solves the cognitive dissonance between his beliefs and the accepted practices of tod…

There are prohibitions against usury in the literature of most of the major religions. Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism. Obviously, the contemporary versions of these religions have loosened their positions. Protestants, for example, haven't been seriously opposed to usury for centuries. Islam, however, is still opposed to it. The Muslim world has its own banking system. Would you have made the sa…

I never meant to "hint" at anything. Sorry if that's what got all this started. I was just sharing antecdotes to encourage others to pound the pavement and find good gigs.

I'd be happy to fill in any missing pieces and point out some logical flaws in this thread. Offline please.

Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by ovi256 » Wed, May 07, 2008, 1:01 AM UTC

edw519 wrote: post #81

ovi256 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was trollish and I was trying to bait the OP, in the sense that it was completely off-topic and that I was suggesting the OP was an hypocrite. Which I still believe to be true. Duh. Christianity and usury? I thought it was obvious for everyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#New_Testament I would have liked to know how the OP solves the cognitive dissonance between his beliefs and the accepted practices of tod…

"I would have liked to know how the OP solves the cognitive dissonance between his beliefs and the accepted practices of today's world." All you ever had to do was ask. My email address in is my profile.

I prefer discussion on a public forum such as HN, where other people can contribute.

Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by edw519 » Wed, May 07, 2008, 1:03 AM UTC

ovi256 wrote: post #75

menloparkbum wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the point, he's trying to be an insulting troll, or at least bait the OP. His comment is almost incoherent so it can be misread as some weird guy who hasn't kept up to date on xtian usury prohibitions.

It was trollish and I was trying to bait the OP, in the sense that it was completely off-topic and that I was suggesting the OP was an hypocrite. Which I still believe to be true. Duh. Christianity and usury? I thought it was obvious for everyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#New_Testament I would have liked to know how the OP solves the cognitive dissonance between his beliefs and the accepted practices of tod…

"Unfortunately, the only thing I learned is that HN threads are not to be taken off-topic."

Then you learned something that I don't believe is true. HN threads are taken off-topic all the time.

You just took this thread somewhere that most people don't believe belongs on hacker news. That's all.

Politics, religion, sports, and popular culture are areas probably better served elsewhere.

I made the mistake of saying the word "Bible" to illustrate that oppotunities can come from the least expected places. Next time I'll say, "At a group meeting..." Sorry.

Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by rms » Wed, May 07, 2008, 1:05 AM UTC

ovi256 wrote: post #44

run4yourlives wrote: post #43

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Sorry, what? Pawn shops are unethical?

For a Christian, they are, as they charge interest. And the parent said he was doing Bible study.

Well, the parent could be Jewish and studying the Hebrew Bible. And historically, Jews were able to do very well for themselves because of the Christian's irrational prohibition of loaning money with interest. I didn't know there were many people left that still had such primitive beliefs.

It makes me wonder if you actually believe what you are saying or if you're just saying it to elicit a response. Hopefully it's the second, the first one would be sad.

Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by ovi256 » Wed, May 07, 2008, 1:06 AM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #60

alaskamiller wrote: post #57

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So Christians don't use credit cards?

It's the atheists that are causing the economy to collapse by buying houses they can't afford and maxing out their credit cards! God is punishing them, finally!!11! Oh wait, you mean most people in the US identify as Christians, and they're the ones having problems? I see.

>most people in the US identify as Christians

Exactly. With a strong emphasis on identify, or make that auto-identify. Like Ghandi, I like Christ, but not Christians. Except, maybe, Eastern Orthodox, but that's another topic.

Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by rms » Wed, May 07, 2008, 1:07 AM UTC

davidw wrote: post #56

whacked_new wrote: post #53

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Wow, I'm surprised too. I'm betting it's not the normal crowd -- or it has grown much larger over the past month?

Really - what is going on here? -29 for some batty comment about Christians and pawn shops? I would have voted it down to -1 too, but come on folks. We've always reserved big downvotes only for offensive, insulting trolls, not things that were in some way "wrong". A -1 or 0 is sufficient to indicate that.

Every now and then there are comments that elicit a "minus infinity" response. Enough people find his sentiment deeply offensive that it's going to minus infinity.

Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by ovi256 » Wed, May 07, 2008, 1:09 AM UTC

edw519 wrote: post #84

ovi256 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was trollish and I was trying to bait the OP, in the sense that it was completely off-topic and that I was suggesting the OP was an hypocrite. Which I still believe to be true. Duh. Christianity and usury? I thought it was obvious for everyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#New_Testament I would have liked to know how the OP solves the cognitive dissonance between his beliefs and the accepted practices of tod…

"Unfortunately, the only thing I learned is that HN threads are not to be taken off-topic." Then you learned something that I don't believe is true. HN threads are taken off-topic all the time. You just took this thread somewhere that most people don't believe belongs on hacker news. That's all. Politics, religion, sports, and popular culture are areas probably better served elsewhere. I made the mistake of saying th…

>Politics, religion, sports, and popular culture are areas probably better served elsewhere.

I know it perfectly well, and usually I love HN exactly because of it, but right now I'm in too much of a bad mood to appreciate it.

Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by aswanson » Wed, May 07, 2008, 1:16 AM UTC

ovi256 wrote: post #78

lee wrote: post #76

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Interestingly, the issue was resolved in the 1490s for the Catholic Church with the discovery of the New World. The expeditions required financing and the financing entailed interest. The explorers were painting pictures of golden cities, boundless riches and fountains of youth, somehow the church managed to magically resolve the interest issue.

That was the point I was trying to raise. The Catholic Church was very liberal, when financial interests were at bay. All Western churches inherited its corrupted moral base. Edit: and the downmods restart. I would like to see some arguments against my remark. Something with more substance, besides obvious re-statements and appeals to number such as 'but everybody does it'. I thought HN visitors would be familiar wit…

I don't know about the merits of the argument; I'll grant you the logic, as most people here would. It's just that people are rightfully fearful of what pro/con religious remarks can have on the quality of conversation here.

Re: Ask YC: What are the going rates for consulting gigs?

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Post by edw519 » Wed, May 07, 2008, 1:18 AM UTC

ovi256 wrote: post #88

edw519 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Unfortunately, the only thing I learned is that HN threads are not to be taken off-topic." Then you learned something that I don't believe is true. HN threads are taken off-topic all the time. You just took this thread somewhere that most people don't believe belongs on hacker news. That's all. Politics, religion, sports, and popular culture are areas probably better served elsewhere. I made the mistake of saying th…

>Politics, religion, sports, and popular culture are areas probably better served elsewhere. I know it perfectly well, and usually I love HN exactly because of it, but right now I'm in too much of a bad mood to appreciate it.

I hope your bad mood is from the down votes and not anything anyone said here. I also get frustrated by downvoters who don't comment. I hope you will continue to love HN in spite of this.

Once again, I am willing to continue this discussion off-line. I think the community has made it clear that's where it belongs. This is my last post in this thread. Since I have no other way of contacting you, your move.