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Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by Tor3 »

nemo846 wrote: post #33
simion314 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They mentioned that since the green tea was consumed from a long time it is clasified as food, so nobody is forced to test for side effects, dosage or effectiveness. Other issues could be caused if the plant supplement contains also different plants, there could be similar plants that the plant collectors could slip in(by mistake or not) (I mean in general I do not know how the green tea is collected) , or the plants…

> As an example my son when he was young he liked carrot juice, so give it to him daily, when we went to the doctor she noticed he had is skin colored and told us to stop, I had no idea that too much carrots can be bad Well in your son’s case, it’s not harmful per se according to Wikipedia, Carotenosis is harmless - you will just look orange. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carotenosis

As another poster said, it's all about the dosage. Anything can be a poison. Even water - there have been several cases of people dying from drinking too much water, some side effect of taking ecstacy - they felt thirsty however much they were drinking.

Vitamin A is a classic: Too little, and you get blind and your feet start bleeding when you walk. Too much, and you get blind and your feet start bleeding when you walk.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

Tor3 wrote: post #59
munchhausen wrote: post #38

Thank you for posting this article. It gave me pause for thought. I have been taking a green tea supplement occasionally. I saw it in a vitamin store, and bought it because of the supposed benefits of antioxidants. I figured - I have a stressful job, I live in a polluted city and do drink alcohol - I probably need the antioxidants. Plus, something that's made out of green tea sounds safe, not likely do any harm, righ…

The general rule is: You don't need supplements. Period. That's because supplements provide (or are supposed to provide) trace elements that you need, but you only need a little bit of it. Like minerals and certain vitamins etc. The thing is - you basically need the same (trace) amount of it, whatever your lifestyle is. And you get it through eating a normal varied diet (e.g. a little meat, vegetables, some fish and…

" So when do you not get enough of it? When you don't eat much food, or not enough of certain kinds of foods."

The exception to this is Vitamin D... if you live in certain areas of the world. In general, the closer you live to the equator, the less you'll need this supplement during the winter. I wound up with a low level last winter - enough to go to the doctor for testing. My other nutrients were just fine: I'm mostly vegetarian and eat fish about once a week.

I have to take the supplements from September through May. The other months I have the choice to take them. If I do not take them, I'm supposed to be outside for at least 15 minutes daily with exposed skin. Minimally short sleeves. I still take the supplements because I wear long sleeves for a good amount of summer.

This is the only supplement I see generally recommended here (Norway) simply because the way the sunlight is in winter.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by raverbashing »

Tor3 wrote: post #59
munchhausen wrote: post #38

Thank you for posting this article. It gave me pause for thought. I have been taking a green tea supplement occasionally. I saw it in a vitamin store, and bought it because of the supposed benefits of antioxidants. I figured - I have a stressful job, I live in a polluted city and do drink alcohol - I probably need the antioxidants. Plus, something that's made out of green tea sounds safe, not likely do any harm, righ…

The general rule is: You don't need supplements. Period. That's because supplements provide (or are supposed to provide) trace elements that you need, but you only need a little bit of it. Like minerals and certain vitamins etc. The thing is - you basically need the same (trace) amount of it, whatever your lifestyle is. And you get it through eating a normal varied diet (e.g. a little meat, vegetables, some fish and…

Oh yes, if only people ate a perfectly balanced diet and had time and resources to know how to get the exact quantity of every ingredient.

Saying "you don't need supplements" is naive idealism.

And here's the catch, "healthy people don't need supplements" but how many people are taking multivitamins and hence supplementing a dietary deficiency?

"Don't take vitamin D" until you have an issue and then have to go to the doctor?

> Think Roman gladiator - they were vegetarians. No supplements needed.

Suuuuure. Did you do a blood test on them? I'm not so sure the lion's diet was balanced in the end though.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #52
gadders wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want a weight loss tablet that can kill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4-Dinitrophenol Seems to kill a couple of people a month in the UK.

Why can't people just eat a bit less and do some exercise? It's not rocket science.

Sure it isn't rocket science, but it isn't nearly as simple as "just eat a bit less and do some exercise". I've lost a lot of weight and kept it off for years. Good advice is hard to come by, and half of the advice is complete crap or so restrictive that it is difficult to follow. Even "simply eating less" isn't that simple.

1. Few tell you ways to deal with actual hunger. Frank talks about this would help: I explain that it is, to a point, something you get used to and to a point, something you learn to control after a while. It isn't that hard to wait an hour for a snack, but it is hard to simply not have a snack.

2. Most folks still need to be satisfied with food. I personally opt for eating less during the day and eating more in the evening because that is when I am the most hungry.

3. Simply being sure to eat enough fruits and vegetables might cause you to lose weight without eating less bulk. You don't need to focus on eating less, just healthier. Same goes for whole grains. You wind up eating less calories.

4. A slew of people need to learn to cook differently and have options available at times when they cannot cook.

5. American society (at least) puts a lot of emphasis on food.

6. Exercise doesn't actually help you lose much weight. In fact, you might find yourself more hungry for doing it. It does, however, help with health - but it doesn't have to be tons of stuff. It would really help if more places had safe biking and walking paths along roads.

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Post by baccheion »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #74
Tor3 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The general rule is: You don't need supplements. Period. That's because supplements provide (or are supposed to provide) trace elements that you need, but you only need a little bit of it. Like minerals and certain vitamins etc. The thing is - you basically need the same (trace) amount of it, whatever your lifestyle is. And you get it through eating a normal varied diet (e.g. a little meat, vegetables, some fish and…

" So when do you not get enough of it? When you don't eat much food, or not enough of certain kinds of foods." The exception to this is Vitamin D... if you live in certain areas of the world. In general, the closer you live to the equator, the less you'll need this supplement during the winter. I wound up with a low level last winter - enough to go to the doctor for testing. My other nutrients were just fine: I'm mos…

Vitamin D goes with magnesium, and at higher amounts, vitamin K(2 MK-4).

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by C1sc0cat »

munchhausen wrote: post #38

Thank you for posting this article. It gave me pause for thought. I have been taking a green tea supplement occasionally. I saw it in a vitamin store, and bought it because of the supposed benefits of antioxidants. I figured - I have a stressful job, I live in a polluted city and do drink alcohol - I probably need the antioxidants. Plus, something that's made out of green tea sounds safe, not likely do any harm, righ…

Last year I was in a hospital renal unit and the guy next to me had had total kidney shutdown from taking to much Zinc - Interaction with other meds they thought.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

baccheion wrote: post #77
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" So when do you not get enough of it? When you don't eat much food, or not enough of certain kinds of foods." The exception to this is Vitamin D... if you live in certain areas of the world. In general, the closer you live to the equator, the less you'll need this supplement during the winter. I wound up with a low level last winter - enough to go to the doctor for testing. My other nutrients were just fine: I'm mos…

Vitamin D goes with magnesium, and at higher amounts, vitamin K(2 MK-4).

Both are pretty easy to get, though. I personally eat a lot of broccoli and tend to eat red, fatty fish once a week. Unless the doctor says something, most folks won't need to take those supplements. It is a lot more difficult to meet your vitamin D needs through food, however.

Re: Green tea supplements ruined my liver

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Post by nabla9 »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #45

If I recall correctly, the tea plant is great at taking up certain heavy metals from the soil. Quick search turned up something https://www.scribd.com/doc/24451227/Analysis-of-Heavy-Metals... Lead, Mercury, arsenic, aluminium, copper. Could be a concern?

Monitoring of essential and heavy metals in green tea from different geographical origins https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4762913/

Same for many edible seeds. For example pumpkin seed and sunflower seed have high hyperaccumulation capacity.

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