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America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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That's amazing to me. Not arguing you're wrong, I'm not interviewing people, just amazes me that anyone with degrees in CS would not be able to solve such a basic problem.

You'd be shocked how many people don't know about the modulus operator.

That's a fair point, but not even knowing about the concept?

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My intuition is that H1B and similar programs hurt my personal compensation as a domestic provider of skilled labor. My reasoning is that less supply of skilled labor should result in increased cost - which gets paid to me. I understand it's better for the companies and perhaps the economy as a whole to import labor, but it seems worse for me. Is there research on this subject or something I'm missing?

The flaw in your intuition is that it believes there's a fixed demand. It's normal for your intuition to think that way — humans are notoriously bad at analyzing higher-order effects. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

Thinking that demand is fixed would indeed be a flaw. But the right wikipedia link here is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand : demand curves slope downwards. More sellers (of a given kind of labour) means does mean higher volumes, but also lower prices (wages). GP's intuition is correct. I don't have links handy but it's my understanding that serious studies reliably back this up.

There are other effects too of course. Letting in Sergey Brin may have competed down CEO wages (as per theory) but arguably more importantly drove up demand for engineers. Letting in lots of H1B engineers no doubt drives up demand for gardeners & house-cleaners.

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She's a white legal immigrant.

yeah yeah racism. The siren song of those who have no argument.

Their actions against legal immigrants of color speak louder than their weak virtue signals.

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First, there was no "muslim ban", and second the list of countries affected had been defined already by Congress years previous, not the President or the current administration. Also school visas are not immigrant visas if one wants to be pedantic about it.

There is an Iran ban, call it whatever you like. The existence of a list at a certain point in time doesn't mean anything if the current administration is the one that uses it in a policy it created itself. School visas are the foot in the door for young scientists and engineers to employment in the US.

They restricted immigration from countries who posed a threat. That threat was defined previously.

You're being disingenuous in claiming it was motivated by religion. You're incorrect in stating it restricted legal immigration. It stopped immigration by countries deemed a threat to the security of the US by Congress and the previous administration.

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post #129

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yeah yeah racism. The siren song of those who have no argument.

Their actions against legal immigrants of color speak louder than their weak virtue signals.

What legal immigrants have they taken "actions" against.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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The H-1B topic strikes a personal tone with me. After the dot-com crash in the early 2000's, IT jobs in California were hard to come by. I almost got one job, but the company decided to go with an H-1B worker instead. I had a new young family, but had to go out of state to find work, leaving my family behind.

I'm NOT summarily against H-1B's but wish to insist they be used ONLY to fill in true skill shortages instead of those manufactured via job ad word-smithing.

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But not a machine to affordably and accurately pick strawberries or citrus, or clean your house and office park. Let’s not pretend that the demand for relatively unskilled work isn’t very high, because the work is perceived to be beneath the dignity or price range or natives. It would be nice if we could benefit from the immigrants willing and able to do this hard and unpleasant work, without also castigating them fo…

gotocake says: "But not a machine to affordably and accurately pick strawberries or citrus": https://www.bing.com/search?q=strawberry+picking+machine&for... gotocake says: "this hard and unpleasant work": http://whvaustralia.net/fruit-picking-hard/ Certainly we don't need to castigate anyone. But we don't need more (illegal or legal) unskilled immigrants taking jobs that will soon be supplanted entirely by automation…

Right, it's a mistake to think that there are a fixed number of low-skill jobs which need filling. A mistake encouraged by propaganda from those heavily invested in industries set up to employ them.

Swiss people clean their own damn homes at a wage which, in India, would justify several servants. This in turn drives a market for Roomba early adopters... but also just for less obvious technology, like houses well-enough sealed against dust.

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You want good healthcare, good salary, the real Autobahns, good houses and you are talented, have at least a bachelor in IT and are willing to try something out? Come over to Germany. Honestly, no I other country I know of has such a fast and well thought out way to permanent residence for foreign talent than Germany. If you are interested in working here, drop me a message to eriklistserve at gmail dot com.

Re: America’s Need for Skilled Immigrants Isn’t Going Away

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I agree with what Kerr is suggesting. It makes a lot of sense.

I also agree with a many Americans who are anti-H1b that it suppresses wages, hence makes it attractive to higher foreign workers, quite often for jobs that are not truly state of the art, but do require the technical know how.

This is why it makes sense for the H1-B to be a highest paid gets first kind of a visa. That way there's a strong incentive to not hire lowest paid employees.

In fact, I think a better way would be to give two 3-year temporary green cards. if at the end of 6th year if the person still has job, it becomes a permanent job. This removes any control that an employer has to depress the wages, and be fair to the American as well as immigrant labour. Such a system can be made available to at least the undergrad/grad/doctoral degree holders from the US universities.

By limiting the immigrant talent, US has already ensure China is taking a huge leap in terms of tech advances. India will figure out how to make the leap soon.

All the while, Canada is making the most of USA's anti high skilled immigrant situation, but inviting them in droves. We'll see a different Canada in the next 5-10 years, mainly due to the huge number of tech immigrants (of Chinese or Indian origin) moving to Canada.

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