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Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Seeing as Google pays Apple $12bn to be the default search engine on iOS devices I’m tempted to call hypocrisy here... http://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-eng...

> I’m tempted to call hypocrisy here..

You can call it hypocrisy but it doesn't affect the validity of Tim Cook's argument [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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I hope Google will at least analyze the idea of privacy, analyze what data they collect and if all of it needs to be collected or kept, when someone suggests let's collect everything there(and in other companies) should be some debate there before is implemented.

Google sets a pretty good standard over at https://myactivity.google.com/ IMO. But yeah the whole passive data collection e.g Wifi networks done the Street View cars, as one example, bears scrutiny. Likewise Android

How do you know that that's actually all data Google holds on you? Facebook has a shadow profile for every one of its users, one whose contents you cannot access. There's no technical reason Google can't build one, and they have been deceptive in how they collect your information in the past https://apnews.com/ef95c6a91eeb4d8e9dda9cad887bf211

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Seeing as Google pays Apple $12bn to be the default search engine on iOS devices I’m tempted to call hypocrisy here... http://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-eng...

It's either that, or Apple's users use Google for free. I'd take the $12bn as well, thank you.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Because I value my privacy. That said, I do think people should not be surprised that when they reveal pieces of information to a company that that information is used by that company in ways that they don't 100% agree with. If you give up information, you're giving up (some amount) of control over how that information is used.

I don't think that's true, I expect to be told up front, clearly and unambiguously, the true cost of something. Stores that have hidden charges and gotchas are reviled, just like we should be outraged by websites that sell your data without your explicit consent. It's a bait and switch con.

>just like we should be outraged by websites that sell your data without your explicit consent.

At least some of the onus is on you to be more discriminate with whom you share your data. As the sibling says, assume the worst.

It's fun to expound about "how things should be" but sometimes you have to deal with "how things actually are".

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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I do get your point and agree but most users are uneducated and will most likely have problems with DuckDuckGo and be confused to what happened to their Google and why is it deleted. So I guess it’s another side to consider. That’s no excuse thou. Apple should at least ask the question in the onboarding.

Also you can't just forget the point, that you will not find the same results on DuckDuckGo and Bing and others that you find on Google. That is my #1 problem with switching to another search engine. It doesn't show me the results that I need, especially for technical questions. Google does.

If it is a while since you last tried the switch, startpage is worth a go.

I recently built a new laptop and set it as the default, after several failed attempts in the past. I now rarely find myself struggling with tech related searches as I had done previously. Consequently, it has stuck this time. YMMV obvs.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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It's sad how the introduction of a new class of devices "smartphones" brought along with it a surveillance software platform in the form of Android. Where it is clear that the only incentive for google to develop it is exfiltration of as much personal data as they can. In contrast in the case of Apple you have a customer relationship with the company that sold you the device and they have an incentive to keep you as…

They're trying to repeat that in the automotive industry, as well as IoT. It's why most automakers have been resistant to adopting Waymo software.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Apple's stance has been completely consistent. They comply with the law while making their ethical beliefs and stance as a company clear where they disagree with it. What do you suggest Apple should do instead of comply with the law? Require it's employees to incriminate themselves?

Or not deal with countries that don't match their ethical beliefs. You know, actually taking a stand instead of empty words.

China is the only country that can produce modern electronics at global scales. If you piss them off, your company will be bankrupt in weeks.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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I would kill for a Linux phone, but until that happens I would settle for a phone that comes with root access (or at least allows technically capable users to get it) and let's me control my own data and device from the bare metal up. Because even if Apple has less incentive to exfiltrate data, I don't want to have to trust any company to do the right thing or to keep doing it.

You might be interested in this project. https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Have you bought one? What are your experiences with PureOS as a phone OS, considering the underlying hardware? One issue with Firefox OS was the non-fit between phone hardware and OS hardware requirements...

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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You're addressing the technical problem but Tim Cook is addressing the political problem, which is more effective at tackling the root causes.

Dubious proposition. Many programmers work to solve political problems through technological means. TOR is an example of this.

You can’t solve a political problem through technological means, you can only provide workarounds. Geeky, awkward workarounds. TOR is an example of this.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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I originally took this opportunity to critique the idea that Cook can stand to take a strong stance on privacy because their business model relies on selling an actual product and said product can only be affordable if you leverage cheap labor (and given historical context: very questionable working conditions). However, for the sake of maintaining consistency with the article and staying relevant I have revised this…

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that Apple was in fact aware of those issues, and has in fact worked both on documenting them and fixing them: https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/

This is transparency - following through and actually giving a damn about things like child labor. They found 2 cases of underage labor in 2017 after auditing 756 facilities and over 1.3M workers. They made it a core violation of their supplier code, meaning that if and when underage labor is found via audit, that supplier loses its business with Apple.

Go read the report - you might find that Apple is a pretty damn thorough company when it comes to responsible labor. Is there more they could do? Yes, there always is - but they're doing quite well so far.

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