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Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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First response: This sounds good, maybe I should consider Apple for my next device? Second response: Was undermining Google the reason he held the speech in the first place?

I hope Google will at least analyze the idea of privacy, analyze what data they collect and if all of it needs to be collected or kept, when someone suggests let's collect everything there(and in other companies) should be some debate there before is implemented.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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I like Tim Cook, I think his heart is in the right place and as much as a corporation can, Apple generally does the right thing.

I was having lunch with several lawyers at my company a few weeks ago. One of them was talking strongly about quality devices and Apple’s strong privacy stance. He literally said that we as a society should be grateful for having Apple.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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First response: This sounds good, maybe I should consider Apple for my next device? Second response: Was undermining Google the reason he held the speech in the first place?

I hope Google will at least analyze the idea of privacy, analyze what data they collect and if all of it needs to be collected or kept, when someone suggests let's collect everything there(and in other companies) should be some debate there before is implemented.

This ^. There are plenty of ways to build products that don’t require you to prey on your users just so you can have a lot more analytical profiling.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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It's sad how the introduction of a new class of devices "smartphones" brought along with it a surveillance software platform in the form of Android. Where it is clear that the only incentive for google to develop it is exfiltration of as much personal data as they can. In contrast in the case of Apple you have a customer relationship with the company that sold you the device and they have an incentive to keep you as…

I would kill for a Linux phone, but until that happens I would settle for a phone that comes with root access (or at least allows technically capable users to get it) and let's me control my own data and device from the bare metal up. Because even if Apple has less incentive to exfiltrate data, I don't want to have to trust any company to do the right thing or to keep doing it.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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First response: This sounds good, maybe I should consider Apple for my next device? Second response: Was undermining Google the reason he held the speech in the first place?

Also my first response, 'is this just marketing?'. 'Buy apple products, we care about your data. We will help protect it. Encrypt it. Not share it. And block others form trying to get your data' But are Apple as benevolent as they say? Do you trust such a gigantic corporation? Are they colluding with governments instead of just advertisers?

You can assume they have to cooperate with the US government at least, that's what Snowden risked his life for to share with us. The question you have to ask yourself is whether you care about that. I can see a near future internal conflict / civil war happening in the US though, in which case having the government - potentially your adversary - know everything about you is a bad thing.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Apple's stance has been completely consistent. They comply with the law while making their ethical beliefs and stance as a company clear where they disagree with it. What do you suggest Apple should do instead of comply with the law? Require it's employees to incriminate themselves?

Or not deal with countries that don't match their ethical beliefs. You know, actually taking a stand instead of empty words.

That rules out the US as well you know.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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Well Apple can start by making Siri work locally/without internet and then I believe their stance.

If they could I believe they would. They rather not be reliant on whoever is providing their speak recognition.

A limited subset of functionality should already be possible, especially if they can have the speech recognition trained specifically to the user.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

#38
Hi Apple. Please:

• add VPN on/off to control center

• allow per-app VPN via Apple Configurator, without enterprise MDM

• once the above two are available, we can use Tor, IDS, DPI or pihole on a per-application basis, to reduce data harvesting

• bonus1: allow the open-source iOS MDM community OR the iOS Shortcuts community to make it easy for novice users to have one-click install of "privacy-plus configurations"

• bonus2: provide open-source code for on-device, silicon-enabled voice recognition using Neural Engine. In the meantime, allow anonymous (no iCloud login) use of Siri via Tor on a per-application basis

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

#39

Until Apple growth streak breaks and they start to use data like everyone else and using data is a good thing.

That would mean they pivot from a hardware company to an advertising company; I don't see that happening myself.

Re: Tim Cook makes blistering attack on the “data industrial complex”

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True, so can I get paid when I sell my information?

You can get paid in the form of a free OS for your smartphone? Or free use of a video streaming platform?

>You can get paid in the form of a free OS for your smartphone?

I paid full price for my phone, there was no warning or contract for me selling my data. I also do not remember a clear EULA about me selling or paying with my data, usually this EULAs are emphasizing that data is collected to give us better services not that is sold/shared with third parties.

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