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Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by simias »

pluma wrote: post #63
simias wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU has passed this law because of the lobbying of the record industry, movie industry etc... There's really no need to search for some Big Brother conspiracy theory. Maybe the law can be abused that way but I doubt that's the main motivation.

The record and movie industry? No, Europe has a different industry lobbying these issues that Americans tend to be oblivious about: newspaper publishers. A lot of the regulation is lifted verbatim from laws newspaper publishers lobbied for in Germany. This is why the regulation deals with issues like citing news stories -- a direct result of newspaper publishers going after Google. The content filter however seems to…

I'm French and in France I can assure you that I mostly heard musicians being very outspoken in support of the law. That's the whole "exception culturelle française" for better or worse. France is very protectionist of its cultural industry.

But you're right that newspaper definitely favor the law as well which is a problem for unbiased reporting.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by feri339 »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #81
feri339 wrote: post #62

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How would you ever manually review 400 hours of video per minute (likely much more by now). It's just impossible. And who is to say that the human reviewers would make no mistakes. It's not always a clear cut decision I'm guessing. So either you have an automated and overzealous ContentID system or you limit upload capabilities for smaller creators (which would be the death of the internet). Obviously the best soluti…

> The copyright system is just so broken really. It only favors big content owners and middle men. Lol no. It favors people who create original works of authorship that are fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Nothing more, nothing less. It does not favor people who feel entitled to steal others' intellectual property, and/or who try to circumvent protections. I really enjoy making docudramas and people enjoy wh…

> I regularly pay the copyright office a $50 fee to register the works I create that I believe are most likely to be infringed. I also send around a dozen DMCA takedown notices once or twice a week. If not for the DMCA I would be sending cease and desist letters and filing lawsuits. This is way better.

Yeah that's true. I'm saying DMCA is better than ContentID and its ilk.

Let's take a piracy example. I completely agree that DMCA-Takedowns directed at Google should be checked and (if the claim is valid) processed. It gets very problematic when you proactively filter uploads. Uploads should generally be allowed by default.

> What do you recommend? Fistfights?

No. Adapt. I realize this is easier said than done. But any company today has to constantly innovate. Never assume any given business model is save for anything more than short to mid-term. This is easier for tech companies because they breathe this kind of culture. But in the not-so-distant future every company will become more like that, or not exist anymore.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by feri339 »

dtech wrote: post #89
feri339 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you ever manually review 400 hours of video per minute (likely much more by now). It's just impossible. And who is to say that the human reviewers would make no mistakes. It's not always a clear cut decision I'm guessing. So either you have an automated and overzealous ContentID system or you limit upload capabilities for smaller creators (which would be the death of the internet). Obviously the best soluti…

> How would you ever manually review 400 hours of video per minute (likely much more by now). It's just impossible. An automated filter is fine as long as mistakes can get arbitrated by a human, so the actual amount of human review required is much lower.

Which is what is happening today. It's just not efficient enough yet. The mistake made by the algo is reported by the uploader. It then takes (too much) time to be handled by a human.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by feri339 »

gotocake wrote: post #72
Navarr wrote: post #71

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You want an internet with upload queues?

I want an Internet with alternatives to Google who can compete, because Google isn’t allowed to automate QC. If a platform can’t control itself, it shouldn’t be allowed to automate the control incompetently and call it good, then hide behind algorithms.

And what exactly would a competing service do differently? The only thing protecting the internet as we know it is the fact that platforms are not responsible for what users post. That is changing and it's a terrible trend.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by Silhouette »

samontar wrote: post #92
anoncake wrote: post #87

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If you don't have the skills or equipment to do something, you literally cannot do it.

The skill barrier is low. It’s all turnkey now with cloud platforms. Literally just a web tutorial away. The hard part is the audience and the fact that video hosting is expensive for individuals.

But depending on which "cloud platform" you're using, you're drifting back towards centralisation again.

Possibly the most important change that my previous post alluded to was that everyone's ISP used to bundle some basic web space in the same way that they bundled a basic email account and ran their own Usenet server. You automatically had a web site if you just ticked the "on" box, and you could upload your content with a simple FTP transfer. Many ISPs provided some "my first web site" level instructions to get you started on building things yourself, even with the inevitable "under construction" graphic.

Sadly, those days are mostly gone. With the rise of centralised hosting (sorry, "cloud") services, ISPs seem to have backed away from including those kinds of secondary facilities in their typical plans, except for maybe email addresses. And so now, it is mostly only larger organisations and the geeks and enthusiasts who self-host in any meaningful sense, and everyone else is hosting their basic business site on Facebook, their blog on Medium or WP, their geek-friendly site on GitHub, their vlog on YouTube, etc.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by shady-lady »

feri339 wrote: post #102
SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The copyright system is just so broken really. It only favors big content owners and middle men. Lol no. It favors people who create original works of authorship that are fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Nothing more, nothing less. It does not favor people who feel entitled to steal others' intellectual property, and/or who try to circumvent protections. I really enjoy making docudramas and people enjoy wh…

> I regularly pay the copyright office a $50 fee to register the works I create that I believe are most likely to be infringed. I also send around a dozen DMCA takedown notices once or twice a week. If not for the DMCA I would be sending cease and desist letters and filing lawsuits. This is way better. Yeah that's true. I'm saying DMCA is better than ContentID and its ilk. Let's take a piracy example. I completely ag…

> This is easier for tech companies because they breathe this kind of culture.

Eh, no. Tech companies have, by and large, just ignored existing legislation thus enabling them to host mountains of content at negligible cost.

They opened the floodgates - they should deal with the water (both that which is original & that which is stolen). They are 100% the cause of this issue and should be 100% of the solution.

If they're not able to do that, then they should get out of the business altogether.

Ignoring laws to lower your costs is not innovative in the slightest. Using the excuse that the internet is a new medium is malarky. Existing rules apply.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by shady-lady »

feri339 wrote: post #104
gotocake wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want an Internet with alternatives to Google who can compete, because Google isn’t allowed to automate QC. If a platform can’t control itself, it shouldn’t be allowed to automate the control incompetently and call it good, then hide behind algorithms.

And what exactly would a competing service do differently? The only thing protecting the internet as we know it is the fact that platforms are not responsible for what users post. That is changing and it's a terrible trend.

> And what exactly would a competing service do differently?

Do what services should do? Review the content before it's publicly available to ensure it's not breaking laws.

> That is changing and it's a terrible trend

I feel the opposite. For far too long, internet companies have taken liberties of everything being 'opt out' instead of 'opt in'. This is another example of that.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by rv-de »

mrep wrote: post #99
IBM wrote: post #49

>“This legislation poses a threat to both your livelihood and your ability to share your voice with the world,” Wojcicki wrote. “And, if implemented as proposed, Article 13 threatens hundreds of thousands of jobs, European Creators, businesses, artists, and everyone they employ. The proposal will force platforms, like YouTube, to prioritize content from a small number of large companies. I find it extremely hard to b…

Are you actually suggesting that Google, a company that is infamous for shutting down products, will never shut down or limit this one?

I keep my fingers crossed they'll shut it down. Youtube is a dysmorphic pile of garbage with little gold nuggets here and there. A new not-ad-based platform would be preferable - Vimeo would be a great alternative.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

throw2016 wrote: post #47

There is already widespread censorship and suppression of dissent [1] and content on these platforms by new 'ministry of truth' government formations like the Atlantic Council that are completely arbitrary with no due process or transparency. The EFF was recently interviewed [1] and discussed some of these issues and highlighted the importance the Santa Clara principles [2] for more transparent operation. It's better…

Not sure what suppression of political content has to do with copyright. I'm not saying that it isn't an important issue, but it's hard to see the relevance.
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