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Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by SpelingBeeChamp »

feri339 wrote: post #62
shady-lady wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. So the solution YouTube has isn't appropriate. They should invest in a better solution even if that involves having more humans in the loop for review/approval. That's the true cost of their business. They'd just like to portray it as the law being an ass rather than their solution being inadequate for the laws. It's a clear case of "Our machines aren't humans and we don't want to have to comply with laws th…

How would you ever manually review 400 hours of video per minute (likely much more by now). It's just impossible. And who is to say that the human reviewers would make no mistakes. It's not always a clear cut decision I'm guessing. So either you have an automated and overzealous ContentID system or you limit upload capabilities for smaller creators (which would be the death of the internet). Obviously the best soluti…

> The copyright system is just so broken really. It only favors big content owners and middle men.

Lol no.

It favors people who create original works of authorship that are fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Nothing more, nothing less.

It does not favor people who feel entitled to steal others' intellectual property, and/or who try to circumvent protections.

I really enjoy making docudramas and people enjoy what I create enough that they pay for it. That only works because of copyright.

I regularly pay the copyright office a $50 fee to register the works I create that I believe are most likely to be infringed. I also send around a dozen DMCA takedown notices once or twice a week. If not for the DMCA I would be sending cease and desist letters and filing lawsuits. This is way better.

(It should be noted that the DMCA does not take away my right to sue infringers (and win). It simply provides a simple way for me to quickly stop unauthorized distribution of my work, which happens to be what I care about most, as without the ability to control the distribution of my creative work I could not even dream of making a living from it. Without the existence of powerful tools to stop people from simply copying my work I wouldn't be making it. Which would suck.)

> Now they realize they're being replaced. So they fight back the only big slow incumbents know how. Legislation and law suits.

What do you recommend? Fistfights?

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by SpelingBeeChamp »

gotocake wrote: post #72
Navarr wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want an internet with upload queues?

I want an Internet with alternatives to Google who can compete, because Google isn’t allowed to automate QC. If a platform can’t control itself, it shouldn’t be allowed to automate the control incompetently and call it good, then hide behind algorithms.

Are you seriously proposing regulation of one specific private company just because you don't like the way they run their business? Man, I'm glad you're not in charge.

Google is not a government service, and YouTube (forget about YouTube-As-You-Want-It) is not a constitutional right.

Have you forgotten that you are talking about an advertising company? That's what Google is.

Don't like the business decisions of a private company? Don't patronize it.

And hey, if you think that you can do better (and that people would give a shit) you can start your competing business. There are many alternatives to every one of Google's business lines, and there are very low barriers to entry.

Fundamentally, though: why are you using a company's product that you dislike so much?

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by SpelingBeeChamp »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #59
Silhouette wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they'd err on the side of caution in this case. I think this is symptomatic of an underlying problem with the increasingly centralised Internet. It used to be that if you wanted to share content online, you put it on your web site and others could visit. If it was infringing someone else's copyright and they objected, they would send a friendly message and/or legal C&D notice to you, and you'd probably all…

Defintermediate all the things, so someone else can reintermediate them. The Internet has been handed over to de facto monopolies operating under a thin pretext of competitive legitimacy. We'll probably see antitrust action to split them up in twenty years or so, by which time it will be too late to make a difference. The only thing that can change this is physical server decentralisation, which is going to rely on m…

> When I can run a personal server on a personal device and serve content to thousands - some of whom may want to peer it, if it's interesting enough - then we may see a genuinely free Internet.

Uhh... you can do this right now.

Like most people you may not have the skills or equipment necessary to do so, but 100% anyone can do this today, down to hosting their own DNS server. (And then they can discover that it is much cheaper to pay someone else to do it for them.)

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by dtech »

kibwen wrote: post #29

This is rich. Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders, and their opaque and useless litigation process. Here's one for reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZ_a6gL0f4 . Listening to the CEO of YouTube cry "but think of the content crea…

While what you say is true, it does not really make their arguments incorrect.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by friedman23 »

kibwen wrote: post #29

This is rich. Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders, and their opaque and useless litigation process. Here's one for reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZ_a6gL0f4 . Listening to the CEO of YouTube cry "but think of the content crea…

Your comment is essentially saying that because youtube currently needs to aggressively police content to the detriment of content creators due to current regulations, that them warning the EU that even more regulations would be harmful is hypocritical?

I don't follow, your comment makes zero sense and your analogy makes even less sense.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by anoncake »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #84
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defintermediate all the things, so someone else can reintermediate them. The Internet has been handed over to de facto monopolies operating under a thin pretext of competitive legitimacy. We'll probably see antitrust action to split them up in twenty years or so, by which time it will be too late to make a difference. The only thing that can change this is physical server decentralisation, which is going to rely on m…

> When I can run a personal server on a personal device and serve content to thousands - some of whom may want to peer it, if it's interesting enough - then we may see a genuinely free Internet. Uhh... you can do this right now. Like most people you may not have the skills or equipment necessary to do so, but 100% anyone can do this today, down to hosting their own DNS server. (And then they can discover that it is m…

If you don't have the skills or equipment to do something, you literally cannot do it.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by gambler »

kalcode wrote: post #73
kibwen wrote: post #29

This is rich. Every YouTube creator that I follow has at least one video whose purpose is to rail against YouTube's mystifying demonetization policies, their trigger-happy DMCA policies that aggressively favor major copyright holders, and their opaque and useless litigation process. Here's one for reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bGZ_a6gL0f4 . Listening to the CEO of YouTube cry "but think of the content crea…

I don't think peoples complaints of YouTube are invalid at all. But I think it is interesting how much credit these people that monetize YouTube don't give google at all. Video hosting has always been expensive comparatively. They are large files. You tube stores multiple resolutions of your files. YouTube hosting your video is free. You don't pay for it. These people that are bringing in $500 - $4,000 crying that 'y…

>Video hosting has always been expensive comparatively.

Torrents seem to be doing it perfectly fine for free.

People keep speaking about YouTube as if its main function is video storage, while if fact the main thing they bring to the table these days is suggestions, search and a massive pre-established audience. If there was a way to plug into their search/suggestions/ads without giving away control of your video files, a lot of high-earning content creators would likely to do just that. However, there is no such option. I'm not aware of any reliable video search outside of Google.

>Understanding this is a business relationship between the two entities would probably make their attempts more professional. Maybe open a business that represents a large sets of these YouTubers instead of each one make a video about it.

But that's the thing. Content creators don't want a business relationship. The promise of Web 2.0 was that there will be no editors or publishers, just a generic UGC platforms. This idea is massively backfiring right now in all kinds of ways.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by dtech »

feri339 wrote: post #62
shady-lady wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. So the solution YouTube has isn't appropriate. They should invest in a better solution even if that involves having more humans in the loop for review/approval. That's the true cost of their business. They'd just like to portray it as the law being an ass rather than their solution being inadequate for the laws. It's a clear case of "Our machines aren't humans and we don't want to have to comply with laws th…

How would you ever manually review 400 hours of video per minute (likely much more by now). It's just impossible. And who is to say that the human reviewers would make no mistakes. It's not always a clear cut decision I'm guessing. So either you have an automated and overzealous ContentID system or you limit upload capabilities for smaller creators (which would be the death of the internet). Obviously the best soluti…

> How would you ever manually review 400 hours of video per minute (likely much more by now). It's just impossible.

An automated filter is fine as long as mistakes can get arbitrated by a human, so the actual amount of human review required is much lower.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by w0m »

gambler wrote: post #88
kalcode wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think peoples complaints of YouTube are invalid at all. But I think it is interesting how much credit these people that monetize YouTube don't give google at all. Video hosting has always been expensive comparatively. They are large files. You tube stores multiple resolutions of your files. YouTube hosting your video is free. You don't pay for it. These people that are bringing in $500 - $4,000 crying that 'y…

>Video hosting has always been expensive comparatively. Torrents seem to be doing it perfectly fine for free. People keep speaking about YouTube as if its main function is video storage, while if fact the main thing they bring to the table these days is suggestions, search and a massive pre-established audience. If there was a way to plug into their search/suggestions/ads without giving away control of your video fil…

> Torrents seem to be doing it perfectly fine for free

.. for quick 30s clips that you want to spread virally through a txt msg to my tech-illiterate mother?

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