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AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by dis-sys »

michaelmrose wrote: post #142
paxys wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just need ONE board to be able to prove it. Surely Bloomberg or their sources can get their hand on a single piece?

So if a newspaper wanted evidence that your company fucked up you would go and dismantle company property to discredit your employer knowing that it's likely to damage them and ruin you.

> would go and dismantle company property

since when taking a photo of the claimed motherboard with a foreign spy chip on it is considered as "dismantle" company property?

> discredit your employer knowing that it's likely to damage them and ruin you

I thought those huge number AAPL and AMZN investors deserve some truth.

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Post by ardy42 »

bsder wrote: post #211
jackconnor wrote: post #169

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Well, if you're Apple/Amazon you have the SEC and your shareholders ready to ruin your life if you say anything that could even be interpreted as a lie. So, in this hypothetical you may not want to, but you will definitely feel forced to.

You can also have the government out to ruin your life if you don't cooperate. See: Joseph Nacchio and Qwest

> You can also have the government out to ruin your life if you don't cooperate.

What if it's the Chinese government that's putting pressure on Apple and Amazon? What would Tim Cook do if he was told on no uncertain terms that Apple would be kicked out of China and its iPhone production lines shuttered if it confirmed this story? Even if the chance they'd go through with their threats is small, it's an enormous risk to Apple and taking it would be hard to justify to its shareholders. FAANG companies are clamoring for access to the Chinese market, and that gives the Chinese government a lot of leverage.

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Post by dis-sys »

brynjolf wrote: post #200
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #149

(disclaimer: I worked at AWS from 2008 to 2014 as Technology Evangelist, and know Andy Jassy personally) I know nothing specific about the issue per se, but I am convinced that Andy Jassy is speaking the truth here, for two reasons: 1) I've never seen a company as obsessed with security as AWS, and/or with such a big budget for security. 2) There's so many actors/employees involved in the audits, security, etc, that…

If we reverse the roles, we notice how little information you actually provide except your own opinions.

expressing yourself on an online forum is vastly different from publishing that bloomberg article with those very specific accusations.

also want to know who are "we" here? please stop representing other people without their explicit consent.

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Post by drb91 »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #134
drb91 wrote: post #125

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> I actually don't care what the truth is Why are you in this thread at all then?

Because 'the truth of the Bloomberg story' is not important - what matters is 'what's actually happening' in the world. And this kind of hacking is definitely happening irrespective of how right/wrong the Bloomberg report is.

So why are you rambling on about unrelated pet topics in HN threads?

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Post by jackvalentine »

ardy42 wrote: post #223
bsder wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also have the government out to ruin your life if you don't cooperate. See: Joseph Nacchio and Qwest

> You can also have the government out to ruin your life if you don't cooperate. What if it's the Chinese government that's putting pressure on Apple and Amazon? What would Tim Cook do if he was told on no uncertain terms that Apple would be kicked out of China and its iPhone production lines shuttered if it confirmed this story? Even if the chance they'd go through with their threats is small, it's an enormous risk…

A possibility straight out of a thriller novel - and definitely exciting!

I don't think it likely though because such a nuclear option from the CN government would have the effect of basically destroying their position in the global supply chain.

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Post by fdsak »

kbenson wrote: post #205
stevehawk wrote: post #178

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But it likely isn't the IC saying it so much as a whistleblower saying.

Does that somehow mean they should be less skeptical and not require more evidence before publishing the whistleblower assertions as fact? Do whistleblowers, by asserting that they are whistleblowers even without evidence, deserve more trust in this scenario for some reason?

I agree with you, now its normal practice to blame someone without evidence. Intelligence communities around the world are major source of "fake news" and media manipulate. My understanding is that "whistleblowers" are part of experiments done by intelligence communities to gauge public response on certain activities(might be illegal ,immoral) and with passage of time we forget and accept theses practices as new normal.

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Post by draw_down »

brynjolf wrote: post #200
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #149

(disclaimer: I worked at AWS from 2008 to 2014 as Technology Evangelist, and know Andy Jassy personally) I know nothing specific about the issue per se, but I am convinced that Andy Jassy is speaking the truth here, for two reasons: 1) I've never seen a company as obsessed with security as AWS, and/or with such a big budget for security. 2) There's so many actors/employees involved in the audits, security, etc, that…

If we reverse the roles, we notice how little information you actually provide except your own opinions.

Come on.

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Post by acct1771 »

kbenson wrote: post #170
cm2187 wrote: post #163

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If their sources are from the intelligence community do you really expect them to handover physical chips to the journalists they leak to?

If the intelligence community expects what they say to be reported as fact, then they need to pony up at least something to verify their claims. Otherwise the news media is just a mouthpiece for the intelligence community. That's particularly bad because one of their jobs is to be a check against just such behavior.

> Otherwise the news media is just a mouthpiece for the intelligence community.

Ah, the Mockingbird sings...

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by techntoke »

markoutso wrote: post #114

With the "trade war" going on I wouldn't be surprised if this was intentionally put out in order to reduce the us dependency on china.

Overpriced corrupt vendors are likely hurting to open compute designs and hardware.
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