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Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by i_am_right »

raspie wrote: post #182
runjake wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good news, the CoC is inclusive for you, with the following: "those who wish to participate" ... "are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details. Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone ." In other words, calm down.

That's as much inclusiveness as "stop hitting yourself" is your friend's good advice. If the CoC started with "First of all, purge any God from your heart" you wouldn't have thought twice about condemning it. But no, the atheists should just suck it up.

Leftist Atheist here... I have no problem with this Code of Conduct. This isn't like "In god we trust" on our currency or the 10 Commandments in our courthouses. I could contribute to this project with a clear conscience because a lot of what I believe is very much in line with Christ's (if he even actually existed) actual teachings. Take care of the poor. Don't judge people who have differing lifestyles than you do. Love your neighbor. Do unto others. Etc.

I think the Golden Rule is a wonderful Code of Conduct and it's how I try to live my life. If only more people followed that rule.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by i_am_right »

stephenr wrote: post #66
simias wrote: post #60

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Leaving aside the religious aspect of the CoC which are probably going to be controversial the other rules are actually fairly common sense. A few that caught my eye: > Do not give way to anger. > Do not nurse a grudge. > Do not entertain deceit in your heart. > Do not give a false peace. > Do not swear, for fear of perjuring yourself. > Utter only truth from heart and mouth. > Do not return evil for evil. > Be not a…

> Respect your seniors How about just "respect people". I've literally seen how "respect your seniors" plays out in reality: any idea from new/junior team members is effectively ignored, because they're not 'senior' enough.

The technology industry is rife with ageism. There isn't nearly as much outrage about it as there should be.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by Redoubts »

whorleater wrote: post #230
qbaqbaqba wrote: post #176

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So? What's wrong with that? Your service to humankind may as well be a service to Christ. And you are the one to decide what server the Christ.

>Your service to humankind may as well be a service to Christ. You cannot say this and believe that this CoC is inclusive then.

I suppose it isn't inclusive to the spiteful, but oh well.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by Redoubts »

loktarogar wrote: post #200
drb91 wrote: post #169

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This does not seem like satire in the least. The rules seem more like common sense than anything humorous.

Unless there's enforcement, it's useless as a code of conduct.

Seems like all the contributors are on board. What more enforcement do you need?

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by Redoubts »

stephenr wrote: post #67
finnthehuman wrote: post #55

I am surprised at how dismissive and intolerant the comments here are of this code of conduct. And I say this as an atheist that still harbors a lot of resentment against my family's religion. Do you have so little empathy that you can't possibly image someone adopting The Rule of St. Benedict in good faith (no pun intended)?

> so little empathy that you can't possibly image someone adopting The Rule of St. Benedict in good faith I think it's more that the wording suggests the author pushing his own faith onto others.

Who are those others, precisely?

Suppose the authors fancied themselves a modern monastic order, is this necessarily bad?

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by foobiekr »

jymbo wrote: post #167
mikeash wrote: post #82

Interesting to see so many people defending this, either on the basis of “it’s satire” or “it says you don’t have to follow every single rule.” Would you be saying the same thing if it said “Allah” instead of “God”? What if it said you had to love Osama bin Laden? What if rule 1 was “love white people”? Religious discrimination is poor fodder for satire and is not something we should just selectively ignore. Edit: wo…

As an atheist, I love this CoC. Because these comments like yours are illuminating the non-inclusive, intolerant, authoritarian ideology taking over the CoC-wielding open source community these days. So yes, I'd be fine with "Allah."

Same. I am a lifelong atheist and I think the CoC is great.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by raspie »

i_am_right wrote: post #231
raspie wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's as much inclusiveness as "stop hitting yourself" is your friend's good advice. If the CoC started with "First of all, purge any God from your heart" you wouldn't have thought twice about condemning it. But no, the atheists should just suck it up.

Leftist Atheist here... I have no problem with this Code of Conduct. This isn't like "In god we trust" on our currency or the 10 Commandments in our courthouses. I could contribute to this project with a clear conscience because a lot of what I believe is very much in line with Christ's (if he even actually existed) actual teachings. Take care of the poor. Don't judge people who have differing lifestyles than you do.…

Sure, I follow the categorical imperative myself.

The author had a chance to make his CoC the golden rule. But instead he made a deeply religious statement. He has full right to do what he wants, but to also claim that this is somehow inclusive because you can close your eyes to things incompatible with you is nonsense, sorry.

All religions teach largely the same good things, but you generally won't see their devotees agreeing to any document that proclaims their love for a different God.

And yet atheists are expected to swallow that. No thanks.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by raxxorrax »

jbogard wrote: post #93

This is now the dumbest CoC I've seen today, and the RMS one set quite the low bar. Any actual enforceable CoC that may get adopted loses any credibility with this move.

I think everyone should try to do the best to get along with others. That said, I wouldn't even cry if that would be that case.

No COC will improve anything. It just might divide contributors without any benefit.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by reitanqild »

Sprign wrote: post #73
finnthehuman wrote: post #55

I am surprised at how dismissive and intolerant the comments here are of this code of conduct. And I say this as an atheist that still harbors a lot of resentment against my family's religion. Do you have so little empathy that you can't possibly image someone adopting The Rule of St. Benedict in good faith (no pun intended)?

I don't think that the problem is adopting in bad or good faith; personally I am saddened because the CoCs are meant to be there to protect people that are usually in a weaker position and in our development communities that usually identifies with a few categories: women, LGBT+, disabled people etc. Now if you look at it from this point of view I think that you can at least see the irony of using a religious text in…

> who were using their religion as a pretext to burn heretics/witches, torture homosexuals and in general oppress the weak and the diverse as well as the ones that today are still trying to infuse young people with their toxic shame when they are non-conforming.

While I cannot and will not defend everything that has been done in the name of my religion it's kind of disingenuous to discuss this without simultaneously acknowledging that more people have been murdered and tortured with a pretext of reason and lack of religion.

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