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Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by g5095 »

mikeash wrote: post #82

Interesting to see so many people defending this, either on the basis of “it’s satire” or “it says you don’t have to follow every single rule.” Would you be saying the same thing if it said “Allah” instead of “God”? What if it said you had to love Osama bin Laden? What if rule 1 was “love white people”? Religious discrimination is poor fodder for satire and is not something we should just selectively ignore. Edit: wo…

Why not try out your theory by attributing the CoC for your ridiculously successful opensource project to allah?

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by anbro »

loktarogar wrote: post #201
anbro wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I daresay that a difference in opinion like that would probably not trigger most people back in that age in the same manner it seems to do so now (on both sides - I'm not picking on one side here).

People went to war over not believing in the same particular flavour of god.

While there have been people who have done things like this in all ages (and also over believing there is NO God, as opposed to just the wrong one), your statement is not as accurate as it could be in most cases if you take into account the context of those wars.

That said, Benedictine monks would not be at or near the top of my list for people who would get all triggered, angry, and go to war over you disagreeing that God exists.

Yes, people fiercely defend what they love and believe. But it's possible to do so graciously and firmly without being angry or freaking out that someone disagrees with you (I am not referring to you specifically, but you, myself, our readers, mankind, etc).

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mikeash »

stestagg wrote: post #144
mikeash wrote: post #109

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I’m not being facetious at all. Maybe Allah would be treated the same way, although I doubt it. I’m really sure my other examples wouldn’t.

I’m not sure your other examples are fair Osama was a convicted war criminal, and “white people” are demonstrably different from deities

What’s unfair about it? Yahweh’s kill count is way higher, if the Bible is to be believed.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mikeash »

jymbo wrote: post #167
mikeash wrote: post #82

Interesting to see so many people defending this, either on the basis of “it’s satire” or “it says you don’t have to follow every single rule.” Would you be saying the same thing if it said “Allah” instead of “God”? What if it said you had to love Osama bin Laden? What if rule 1 was “love white people”? Religious discrimination is poor fodder for satire and is not something we should just selectively ignore. Edit: wo…

As an atheist, I love this CoC. Because these comments like yours are illuminating the non-inclusive, intolerant, authoritarian ideology taking over the CoC-wielding open source community these days. So yes, I'd be fine with "Allah."

And this is why I don’t like this CoC. It reinforces the idea that religious people get to do what they want and the rest of us should just be quiet about it.

How exactly is it “intolerant” to object to a CoC that can only be followed by adherents of a particular religion?

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mikeash »

anbro wrote: post #163
mikeash wrote: post #82

Interesting to see so many people defending this, either on the basis of “it’s satire” or “it says you don’t have to follow every single rule.” Would you be saying the same thing if it said “Allah” instead of “God”? What if it said you had to love Osama bin Laden? What if rule 1 was “love white people”? Religious discrimination is poor fodder for satire and is not something we should just selectively ignore. Edit: wo…

Although I vehemently disagree with the beliefs of Muslims, I have always had a great deal of respect for the fact that they are unapologetic about them. I, for one, appreciate this whole thing. If I were required to love Osama bin Laden, well, my Lord Himself requires us to 'love our enemies', and 'pray for those who persecute you'. There is no religious discrimination here. It appears that some seem to believe that…

You’re breaking the rules if you’re not Christian. How is that not discrimination?

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mikeash »

drb91 wrote: post #170
mikeash wrote: post #76

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The overarching spirit of the rule is worship of a particular deity. “First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength.”

Only if you are looking for it. I imagine most adults can translate through time and culture without much issue. Literalists tend to be evangelical christians, who probably wouldn’t mind.

It hammers you on the head with it at the very beginning. There’s no need to “look for it,” it’s right there.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by mikeash »

jymbo wrote: post #159
mikeash wrote: post #85

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The very first rule is comparable. We generally consider religious discrimination to be on the same level as racial discrimination.

Do you truly _believe_ that? Would you say that is one of some number of truths you take on _faith_?

Yes, I believe that. I don’t take it on faith, I take the “we” part from the fact that religious and racial discrimination tend to be found in the same lists in the laws that outlaw discrimination against certain classes.

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by _kbso »

mikl wrote: post #219
drb91 wrote: post #194

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Are you trying to communicate or be a dick? The only universal value I am aware of in san francisco is capitalism.

I would ask the same thing of you. Are you playing dumb or are you really not aware that SF is kinda out there on the U.S. left wing? If I, a european who've only visited the U.S. a handful of times, know more of U.S. politics than you do, I really don't know what to say.

It sounds like you have no clue what "left wing" means when you refer to capitalists as "left wing". Because generally, it refers to anti-capitalists (socialists, anarchists etc).

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by whorleater »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #166
whorleater wrote: post #151

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Because if you take it as a satirization of the adoption of CoC's, it's saying "we don't think CoC's address real problems and we'll do it with a general set of ideals that do nothing to solve problems". Which ignores the very real problem of harassment in tech.

According to others, the creator is actually a highly religious person. Why are you assuming that it's satire?

Because half the comments in this thread are saying it's satire?

Re: Sqlite: Code Of Conduct

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Post by whorleater »

qbaqbaqba wrote: post #176
roguecoder wrote: post #135

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The overarching spirit of The Rule of St. Benedict is service to Christ.

So? What's wrong with that? Your service to humankind may as well be a service to Christ. And you are the one to decide what server the Christ.

>Your service to humankind may as well be a service to Christ.

You cannot say this and believe that this CoC is inclusive then.

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