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Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by jowsie »

dschuler wrote: post #47
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or have their OS seized by eminent domain If there's one thing the government is known for, it's writing bug-free, efficient software. Also, for real, this bug is not that bad. It's obviously a bug you'd rather not have. But no user data is lost. It just fails to surface an overwrite dialogue, and assumes the result is no.

I know you're saying this in jest, but the (US) government wrote code to fly to the moon and back, control robots on Mars, and model the earth (e.g. DoD's WGS 84, all the work by NIST, etc.). Sure, healthcare.gov was not a smooth rollout, but they do deserve some credit overall. Now Windows on the other hand.... I just set up Windows on a new laptop I bought recently.. just plain Windows as it shipped with my new lap…

>but the (US) government wrote code to fly to the moon and back, control robots on Mars, and model the earth

I don't believe either of this where 100% bug free.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by richardboegli »

Steko wrote: post #5

Microsoft has turned Windows Update into a cancer that is the single reason I am going to abandon their platform in future machine purchases. Can't believe I'm longing for the days of Vista (well post-SP1).

Either get LTSB 2015, 2016 or LTSC 2019.

Long-Term Servicing Channel.

...The LTSC servicing model prevents Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB devices from receiving the usual feature updates and provides only quality updates to ensure that device security stays up to date....Microsoft never publishes feature updates through Windows Update on devices that run Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB. Instead, it typically offers new LTSC releases every 2–3 years, and organizations can choose to install them as in-place upgrades or even skip releases over a 10-year life cycle. [0]

Is there a new LTSC release?

Yes. For those customers utilizing the Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC), we have also released Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019. This is the third feature update for Windows 10 for the LTSC, and it has many benefits for all Windows 10 devices, including the special-purpose devices in your environment. [1]

[0] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...

[1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/W...

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by xaduha »

kurtisc wrote: post #118
xaduha wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> questionable integrity? What's what integrity checks are for.

Microsoft aren't the ones supplying the tools to fake a licence, though.

They are welcome to make it easier to obtain LTSB license. They are not interested in that obviously.

Technically there's not much that is stopping me from using it in trial mode with a rearm up to 90 days, because I use it in a VFIO VM anyway. But you probably wouldn't like that either, would you?

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by xaduha »

JoshuaAshton wrote: post #102
snupples wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an LTS version of win 10 without the constant feature updates. Do you actually support desktop Windows in any of those industries with mission critical desktops? If so, you need to educate yourself. If not, your rant is coming from an uninformed position.

Just cause something says LTSB/C, it doesn't mean it doesn't have the same bugs of the update it was branched from. The LTSB/C is a joke, it's literally just the regular release with Cortana and other garbage removed.

Are you familiar with LTS releases of Linux distributions? Do you expect them to be something extraordinary?

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by Shaddox »

ttty wrote: post #69
dschuler wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you're saying this in jest, but the (US) government wrote code to fly to the moon and back, control robots on Mars, and model the earth (e.g. DoD's WGS 84, all the work by NIST, etc.). Sure, healthcare.gov was not a smooth rollout, but they do deserve some credit overall. Now Windows on the other hand.... I just set up Windows on a new laptop I bought recently.. just plain Windows as it shipped with my new lap…

Never happened to me with Windows. It's not the best, but works. Linux on the over hand it's a continuous installation of drivers and fixing functionality that works out of the box on my windows: graphics problems, audio, screen, usb, WiFi. Of course and then you try to install some module and says you have incompatible modules. Then you need to figure out what modules you need to change to match the version of the m…

I tried switching to Linux again for desktop usage since Proton became a thing and I was tired of the weird new licensing model. Installed the new Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and after fiddling around for a week I still couldn't get my sound cards to work properly. The sound quality is just bad and the sound often cuts.

Honestly if I had a little willpower I think I might have been able to get a satisfying result at some point but the effort just wasn't worth it for me. I use my home computer like 3-4hrs a week in the weekend for games and maybe hobby projects if I don't feel like dying. I'd rather just have something that plainly works in a predictable manner, but even that seems to be asking too much nowadays...

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by rrrttrrr »

skolsuper wrote: post #76
drewmol wrote: post #66

>The good news is, if you use a third-party app for archives, such as WinZip, WinRAR or 7-Zip, you won't encounter the bug. I'm not excusing the bug, but 7-zip had been one of the first tools I install on any windows installation since XP, setting it as default application to handle all archive formats it supports, .zip included. I'm surprised to see so many comments about potentially running into this bug, doesn't e…

When I hear 7zip I associate it with security vulnerabilities. I remember reading a couple of articles last year that said 7zip was maintained and distributed by a single person with not-stellar security practices, and most mirrors online are hosting old, insecure versions. Therefore I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that doesn't "know what they're doing" wrt security. source: https://borncity.com/win/2018/02/21/secu…

The author of that article's problems with 7zip can be summed up and dismissed like so:

1. 7zip has had security flaws - so does every other software that interacts with untrusted data, and the author admits himself that 7zip's author has responded quickly (it doesn't seem like 7zip has an abnormally high amount of exploits)

2. People are using/redistributing old versions of 7zip which are vulnerable - and that's 7zip's fault how? 7zip's own website has an easy to use and up to date installer, go after the people hosting the shitty mirrors

3. 7zip doesn't use ASLR - the author of the article literally gives the reason for this: shrinking the binary size (he then tries to pretend like this is some gaping security flaw)

4. 7zip doesn't use DEP on 32 bit windows prior to win10 - do people seriously even use 32 bit windows nowadays? (also, this is as dumb of a "flaw" as not having ASLR)

Fun fact: the article's author recommends you use the OS's built in tools (aka windows explorer), so I guess I'll just have to pretend that any tar/rar/etc files don't exist

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by Spooky23 »

jsgo wrote: post #9
Spooky23 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see what you’re saying, but Microsoft is forcing the industry on a treadmill to upgrade as quickly as possible as they aggressively break stuff on their quest the twiddle Windows twice a year. They need to embrace quality control. Handling zip files is a basic file system function in 2018. If they are fucking up basic operations like this, imagine how bad other parts of Windows are now.

I agree with a lot of this, but I think if we are talking updates as upgrades, the industry and consumers forced their hands with fast update cycles with meaningful feature adds. Not excusing what is happening here, they allowed it to be released, but I do think they were forced into the current position rather than took it on their own.

That’s the Microsoft line, but it’s bullshit. The company squandered like 5 years on the Windows 8 disaster, which was a failure based 100% on Microsoft pushing forward with a bad strategy. There’s still a PC on every desk, and some helpless saps are scrambling to upgrade from Windows 7 in 2018.

Nobody, anywhere is or was pining for high tempo Windows changes. What I’m seeing is that more and more institutional customers are looking at mobile, Chrome and other offerings.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by gruez »

xaduha wrote: post #57
gruez wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how LTSB could have prevented this at all. Ironically, 1809 was a LTSB release, so if you were upgrading from 1607 LTSB (to get WSL working, for example), you would also be exposed to this bug.

Well at the moment LTSB isn't affected is it? So there you go, proof enough. In any case it's not just that, there are lots of other annoying stuff that I don't need in my life.

>Well at the moment LTSB isn't affected is it?

And you know that based on what? The lack of bug reports? The LTSB population is obviously going to be smaller than the general population, so the lack of reports of it happening on LTSB doesn’t really indicate anything. Besides, the task manager bugs introduced in 1809 is in ltsb 1809 AND server 2019, which makes me inclined to believe that all the windows editions come from the same branch anyways.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by ygra »

keypress wrote: post #81

Why in 2018 do we still have lousy file managers?

Because for most people file management and document management are kinda the same, so we end up with tools that are barely capable document managers that end up exposing all kinds of details about the underlying storage mechanism and both are kinda iffy. You cannot reliably do document management atop of files while keeping file managers happy and the subset of document management tasks that can be done at the file level is kinda limited as well. So we get some weird hybrid that's horrible to use and still incapable of many interesting tasks.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by xaduha »

gruez wrote: post #128
xaduha wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well at the moment LTSB isn't affected is it? So there you go, proof enough. In any case it's not just that, there are lots of other annoying stuff that I don't need in my life.

>Well at the moment LTSB isn't affected is it? And you know that based on what? The lack of bug reports? The LTSB population is obviously going to be smaller than the general population, so the lack of reports of it happening on LTSB doesn’t really indicate anything. Besides, the task manager bugs introduced in 1809 is in ltsb 1809 AND server 2019, which makes me inclined to believe that all the windows editions come…

I don't expect it to have 0 bugs. But generally speaking less features means less bugs. And as I said it's not just about bugs.
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