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Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by quantummkv »

remar wrote: post #16
metildaa wrote: post #9

Linus may have been sincere in his writing, people saw him as this verbally abusive boogeyman who would tear people apart, which led him to become that type of person more and more. The embrace and extend going on over in Redmond right now is threatening though, what better time to use your clout and power over a competitors org (that your a member of now) than when you have forked what depended on their software, ex…

Can you provide more context re: "The recent reaction from Valve is telling, I think Gabe is fearful about the current state of affairs" ?

I think it's a reference to steam proton, a compatibility layer they built to run windows games on linux.

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by ChrisSD »

vectorEQ wrote: post #15

someone tell that guy BSD exists >.> linux rules the world :')... most ppl never heard of it tbfh... long way to go. this the new happy clappy marketing face for linux? next we know it will be a synchonicity engine create purley for personal cloud SaaS w/e the fk that means. linux kernel is a big mess of things. and making some kind of desperate mgmt pivot wont clean that up

If you seriously think BSD has anywhere near the same mind share as Linux then I don't know what to tell you. "Taken over the world" might be hyperbolic if read literally but such slight hyperbole is common in regular English.

For example, I might say that Linux is used "everywhere". Of course this isn't true if read extremely literally but my meaning should be clear: you don't have to go far to find something that uses LInux. Websites (and web infrastructure for that matter), smartphones, DVD players, etc.

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by valvar »

metildaa wrote: post #12
valvar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a worry, rather than simply being crass, when the author of the CoC herself has said that it is indeed a political document[1]? [1] https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1041465346656530432

The CoC being a political document is expected, it is laying the boundaries that define acceptable behavior, an inherently political task. On that ssamw tangent, the GPL series of license is inherently political. I personally like the political ideology espoused, but some do not despite how other licenses leave these developers with many users and proprietary forks, buf no added code, docs or community.

That is neither here nor there. The GPL is ideological in a way that sits well and has done so for a very long time with, I assume, pretty much the entire Linux community. This also seems to have been the case with the previous CoC, as well as the CoC:s that a lot of other communities use. A CoC does not need to be inherently partisan and divisive. The Contributor Covenant is, though.

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by m1el »

metildaa wrote: post #12
valvar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a worry, rather than simply being crass, when the author of the CoC herself has said that it is indeed a political document[1]? [1] https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1041465346656530432

The CoC being a political document is expected, it is laying the boundaries that define acceptable behavior, an inherently political task. On that ssamw tangent, the GPL series of license is inherently political. I personally like the political ideology espoused, but some do not despite how other licenses leave these developers with many users and proprietary forks, buf no added code, docs or community.

> The CoC being a political document is expected

I agree that both CoC and GPL are political.

Developers need to understand something: CoC a political document written by someone opposing one of important principles of free software, meritocracy. https://postmeritocracy.org/

Now here's a big difference: linux was developed under GPL from the very beginning. If you didn't like the politics behind GPL, you didn't contribute. Now, there are people who try to push their politics everywhere, because "everything is political", even math. Why should you accept their politics? Why should linux change its politics? Why must CoC be accepted? Why should developers accept the politics of CoC, after making contributions under promises of GPL?

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by hu3 »

The guy managed to write more about himself than the patch. Is this the new format? I thought I was reading a Medium blog post.

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by codeaken »

I feel really worried about the Kernel project now that they have let Identity Politics breach their walls. These kind of things have a tendency to split a community rather than unite it.

The kernel project is surely one of the most successful software projects ever. Having survived for 20 years, why change a winning formula?

I have always considered Linus un-political and more interested in getting sh*t done and getting it right above anything else, so why he would sign-off on this is a mystery to me.

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by valvar »

codeaken wrote: post #27

I feel really worried about the Kernel project now that they have let Identity Politics breach their walls. These kind of things have a tendency to split a community rather than unite it. The kernel project is surely one of the most successful software projects ever. Having survived for 20 years, why change a winning formula? I have always considered Linus un-political and more interested in getting sh*t done and get…

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Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by jf- »

I’m seeing a lot of people stating that they’re worried about this code of conduct. Since I’ve not read it or any commentary about it, can someone tell me why it’s so worrying? Is there a sincere fear that Linux will be damaged as a result? If so, how?

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by stevewillows »

jedberg wrote: post #5

I've read a few things about the latest happenings with regards to Linus and the kernel, but I feel like I'm missing something here. Can someone summarize for me, or point me at a good summary? Edit: Who is Greg KH and why is this significant and what is the relationship between Greg KH and Linus (and the community)?

re: your edit --

>Greg Kroah-Hartman is a major Linux kernel developer. As of April 2013 he is the Linux kernel maintainer for the -stable branch, the staging subsystem, USB, driver core, debugfs, kref, kobject, and the sysfs kernel subsystems, Userspace I/O, and TTY layer.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Kroah-Hartman

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