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Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by ragerino »

intsunny wrote: post #4

I think the code of conduct stuff worked out well in the end, especially as cooler heads prevailed. In the `code-of-conduct-interpretation.rst` document they write: ``` The initial Code of Conduct Committee consists of volunteer members of the TAB, as well as a professional mediator acting as a neutral third party. The first task of the committee is to establish documented processes, which will be made public. ``` ``…

I agree. Political compromises might not always lead to the best possible result. Linus will be missed!

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by metildaa »

valvar wrote: post #10
intsunny wrote: post #4

I think the code of conduct stuff worked out well in the end, especially as cooler heads prevailed. In the `code-of-conduct-interpretation.rst` document they write: ``` The initial Code of Conduct Committee consists of volunteer members of the TAB, as well as a professional mediator acting as a neutral third party. The first task of the committee is to establish documented processes, which will be made public. ``` ``…

Is it a worry, rather than simply being crass, when the author of the CoC herself has said that it is indeed a political document[1]? [1] https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1041465346656530432

The CoC being a political document is expected, it is laying the boundaries that define acceptable behavior, an inherently political task.

On that ssamw tangent, the GPL series of license is inherently political. I personally like the political ideology espoused, but some do not despite how other licenses leave these developers with many users and proprietary forks, buf no added code, docs or community.

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by guipsp »

valvar wrote: post #10
intsunny wrote: post #4

I think the code of conduct stuff worked out well in the end, especially as cooler heads prevailed. In the `code-of-conduct-interpretation.rst` document they write: ``` The initial Code of Conduct Committee consists of volunteer members of the TAB, as well as a professional mediator acting as a neutral third party. The first task of the committee is to establish documented processes, which will be made public. ``` ``…

Is it a worry, rather than simply being crass, when the author of the CoC herself has said that it is indeed a political document[1]? [1] https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1041465346656530432

[1] gives more context about this. By being "non political" you are implicitly defending the status quo.

[1]: https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1041501017651793922

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by vbezhenar »

jedberg wrote: post #5

I've read a few things about the latest happenings with regards to Linus and the kernel, but I feel like I'm missing something here. Can someone summarize for me, or point me at a good summary? Edit: Who is Greg KH and why is this significant and what is the relationship between Greg KH and Linus (and the community)?

Corporate money broke honest hacker. RIP Linux.

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by vectorEQ »

someone tell that guy BSD exists >.> linux rules the world :')... most ppl never heard of it tbfh... long way to go. this the new happy clappy marketing face for linux? next we know it will be a synchonicity engine create purley for personal cloud SaaS w/e the fk that means.

linux kernel is a big mess of things. and making some kind of desperate mgmt pivot wont clean that up

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by remar »

metildaa wrote: post #9

Linus may have been sincere in his writing, people saw him as this verbally abusive boogeyman who would tear people apart, which led him to become that type of person more and more. The embrace and extend going on over in Redmond right now is threatening though, what better time to use your clout and power over a competitors org (that your a member of now) than when you have forked what depended on their software, ex…

Can you provide more context re: "The recent reaction from Valve is telling, I think Gabe is fearful about the current state of affairs" ?

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by valvar »

guipsp wrote: post #13
valvar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a worry, rather than simply being crass, when the author of the CoC herself has said that it is indeed a political document[1]? [1] https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1041465346656530432

[1] gives more context about this. By being "non political" you are implicitly defending the status quo. [1]: https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1041501017651793922

And instead one should... Attack the ``status quo''? This line of reasoning is inherently partisan and extremely political as well as divisive. Believing that meritocracy is bad is a fringe belief, and in this case there really is nothing that suggests that adhering to the ``status quo'' is the non-insane alternative.

Edit: I'd also like to highlight that this is a classic version of the ``you're either with us, or against us''[1] argument, i.e. a false dilemma.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us,_or_ag...

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by unmole »

heybrendan wrote: post #6
pjf wrote: post #2

See summary at https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_4.19

Linux Kernel Newbies is certainly a great resource. The more interesting component this cycle is the fact that the release notes were written by Greg KH--worth the read in my opinion.

> The more interesting component this cycle is the fact that the release notes were written by Greg KH

That is because Greg handled this release cycle to let Linus take time off. Linus will be back for 4.20.

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by Ragnarork »

comesee wrote: post #7

CoC assumes contributions are primarily due to the conduct of the community and not the intellect/interest of the contributor. The quality of a community isn't primarily measured by its conduct but rather its accomplishments.

>CoC assumes contributions are primarily due to the conduct of the community and not the intellect/interest of the contributor

No. That you choose to read into that this way doesn't make it factual. I'd even argue that someone that doesn't behave accordingly (with a sane CoC) doesn't show that much "interest" in a certain way. A contribution shouldn't be accepted on the sole basis that a person actually respected the CoC, and it's never been the goal of this. But it's another condition now.

> The quality of a community isn't primarily measured by its conduct but rather its accomplishments

Measuring the two is a possibility. That you don't, yourself, include the conduct of a community in your measure of its quality is your choice and yours only.

I'm curious as to what led to this broadly wrong evaluation of the situation. What lead you to believe that?

Re: Linux 4.19

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Post by jedberg »

metildaa wrote: post #9

Linus may have been sincere in his writing, people saw him as this verbally abusive boogeyman who would tear people apart, which led him to become that type of person more and more. The embrace and extend going on over in Redmond right now is threatening though, what better time to use your clout and power over a competitors org (that your a member of now) than when you have forked what depended on their software, ex…

> The embrace and extend going on over in Redmond right now is threatening though, what better time to use your clout and power over a competitors org (that your a member of now) than when you have forked what depended on their software, extended it to work on your platform, and now want to take the wind out of their sails.

Can you explain that a bit more? Are you saying Microsoft is using their clout to change the linux kernel to their benefit and the detriment of others? How so?

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