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Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by vetinari » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 3:18 PM UTC

jdofaz wrote: post #122

vetinari wrote: post #24

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Wayland is actually pretty stable. Nvidia has problem with OpenGL in Xwayland (i.e. 3d accel for x11 apps), otherwise, it should work. There are warts though, when using Wayland. When using scaling (doesn't have to be fractional, either), X11 apps are being upscaled, not downscaled, resulting in blurriness. Unfortunately, neither Firefox nor Chrome does support Wayland natively, and who wants to use their most used a…

Firefox has recently added wayland support, it isn’t enabled by default.

It doesn't play nice with OMTC, or 3d accel in general (see EGL bugs in bugzilla), and has problems with scaling and input. It is a work in progress, that's why it is disabled.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by tbiteteitb » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 3:19 PM UTC

milankragujevic wrote: post #115

Curiously I can't install it on a laptop so I've hot to go back to 16.04. None of the new versions want to install, get stuck at Installing grub2...

Are You online or offline while installing? 18.04 won't install in my laptop if I was not online.

Something needed to be downloaded to properly finish the setup process.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by appleiigs » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 3:19 PM UTC

severino wrote: post #125

jki275 wrote: post #117

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That's true only so far as using MS Office is not needed... Most people's computing needs would be adequately served by an iPad -- but those who aren't are typically doing more with their computers than can be met by any OS.

Right. While Office has still some unpaired features, it's also true that not everybody using Office needs Office, specially the home users who need only daily finance, writting letters, etc.

The non-technical people in my life did not realize you don’t need Office to open Office documents. This important when they interact with accountants, lawyers and such.

Once I show them Libre, they still want Office because Libre looks like it’s from Excel 2003 era and loses credibility in their eyes.

Then I show them Google Docs and Sheets and it looks nice. Literally all they need is something that looks modern. But in fact Google apps have actually been quite slick. Perfect amount of functionality at the moment. Google seems to follow keyboard behaviour and shortcuts for easy transition (especially Excel). Hope Google doesn’t bloat their apps over time.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by jki275 » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

barrow-rider wrote: post #137

jki275 wrote: post #118

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What does a Linux machine do better than a Mac, if price were not a factor?

Support machines older than 6 years. Got a ThinkPad from 2008 that's still kicking, rocking the latest Fedora release.

That's not really a feature, if cost isn't an issue you can run OSX on a new Mac.

I get it if you're trying to avoid the cost of an operating system, but that wasn't what you said or what I asked..

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by jki275 » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 3:24 PM UTC

appleiigs wrote: post #143

severino wrote: post #125

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Right. While Office has still some unpaired features, it's also true that not everybody using Office needs Office, specially the home users who need only daily finance, writting letters, etc.

The non-technical people in my life did not realize you don’t need Office to open Office documents. This important when they interact with accountants, lawyers and such. Once I show them Libre, they still want Office because Libre looks like it’s from Excel 2003 era and loses credibility in their eyes. Then I show them Google Docs and Sheets and it looks nice. Literally all they need is something that looks modern. B…

All of those applications are ok if you don't actually need to produce commercial documents. Libreoffice and Google Docs aren't good enough, and if you're doing anything other than basic data presentation with Excel it's not compatible with any of them.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by arbie » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 3:28 PM UTC

apexalpha wrote: post #108

tapoxi wrote: post #91

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But now it can play MP3s out of the box. Not that I'd ever suggest Linux to someone who doesn't know what a codec is anyway. Fresh installs with friends/family are always fine, but its after an major version upgrade (or many years of version upgrades) that the system will eventually get into a state where Dad can't debug it. I stopped this recommendation after a family friend (who bought a laptop with Ubuntu) had a s…

I disagree I have some friends and family who rarely use a computer and I installed Ubuntu because they didn't want to buy a new one and Vista simply sucked. As long as you dont dist-upgrade everything is rock stable. I set apt-get upgrades to go every month or so automatically. Kernel upgrades happen on reboot. Doesn't even notice!

> I set apt-get upgrades to go every month or so automatically. Kernel upgrades happen on reboot. Doesn't even notice!

From experience, this is a terrible idea.

ChromeOS is the only one that I have never had issues with when it comes to silent updates. Windows (document deletion in RS3), MacOS (scanner issues in Sierra), Ubuntu (rsyslog errors preventing Bionic upgrades) have had various issues over the years that I would not impose upon non-technical users. Granted these were major releases, but silent updates are generally trouble.

I like the definition above; a non-technical user is one that does not know what a codec is.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by cweagans » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 3:40 PM UTC

hyperbovine wrote: post #73

apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

Honestly though, how many non- technical people do you know who run any form of Linux? Steve Jobs came along and gobbled up that market 15 years ago.

Literally anyone with an Android or Chrome OS device. Granted, they didn't download and install it themselves, but I don't think that invalidates the point.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by c487bd62 » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 3:43 PM UTC

simion314 wrote: post #87

tapoxi wrote: post #78

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I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora. I also really don't like their use of CLAs and their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap.

> their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap. Snap was here before flatpack, what should a company like Canonical do if they want to try something new? Use planted developers in GNOME or other projects to push projects as dependencies into all distributions? If you do not like Canonical do not use their products, use other distro or BSD. Unity was a nice…

> Snap was here before flatpack

https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9oddtb/flatpaks_sand...

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by milankragujevic » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 3:45 PM UTC

tbiteteitb wrote: post #142

milankragujevic wrote: post #115

Curiously I can't install it on a laptop so I've hot to go back to 16.04. None of the new versions want to install, get stuck at Installing grub2...

Are You online or offline while installing? 18.04 won't install in my laptop if I was not online. Something needed to be downloaded to properly finish the setup process.

Online, though my internet doesn't work properly today, so it may be that... I'll try again later...

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by ASalazarMX » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

brendaningram wrote: post #9

Unfortunately, I think Canonical has lost their focus on the desktop user. Every version of Ubuntu since 16.04 has had major issues for me. I have given every one of them a chance to redeem themselves, right up to today trying 18.10. Still no dice... For me, as boring as it sounds, Debian 9 (Stretch) with XFCE is rock solid as a daily driver. I'm not some fuddy duddy doing nothing but text editing either. I code ever…

If you don't mind being stuck with old version of software, Debian stable is, appropriately, very stable. If you want more recent versions, Debian testing or unstable will require more maintenance than Ubuntu.

A decade ago I used to recompile the kernel for fine tweaking, but I'm too busy to do that anymore. Ubuntu needs less fiddling than other distributions, in my experience.