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Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by modzu »

brendaningram wrote: post #9

Unfortunately, I think Canonical has lost their focus on the desktop user. Every version of Ubuntu since 16.04 has had major issues for me. I have given every one of them a chance to redeem themselves, right up to today trying 18.10. Still no dice... For me, as boring as it sounds, Debian 9 (Stretch) with XFCE is rock solid as a daily driver. I'm not some fuddy duddy doing nothing but text editing either. I code ever…

what issues does ubuntu have that debian doesn't? i think the average desktop user is likely to get further with the latter than the former (joke about how debian gives you the choice of old or broken). for reference i have both oses on various machines.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by kyrofa »

another-cuppa wrote: post #80
hyperbovine wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly though, how many non- technical people do you know who run any form of Linux? Steve Jobs came along and gobbled up that market 15 years ago.

The parents and girlfriends of technical people (like mine).

Yep. Siblings, wife, and in-laws here.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by tumetab1 »

nanna wrote: post #17
tumetab1 wrote: post #3

I'm amazed at Canonical policy of releasing new versions with these kind of bugs open https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseNotes#Known_... Anyone care to recommend a distro which has better policy on quality? (for desktop usage)

As quantummkv says, you could go for Ubuntu Long Term Support, or give 18.10 a go after a while when these bugs have been ironed out. No one's forcing an immediate adoption of the Short Term Support version, and it functions as a testing ground for the next LTS anyway.

My concern and question should be more clear. I'm already bummed that Ubuntu out-of-box apps Firefox/Thunderbird have already in the LTS dumb bugs.

* Thunderbird can't display subjects with emojis correctly (a distro issue). * Firefox (actually a Gnome issue) trying to login on lastpass/onepass is broken.

In both cases the issues aren't new and haven't enough priority to be fixed which I think it's weird.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by severino »

hyperbovine wrote: post #73
apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

Honestly though, how many non- technical people do you know who run any form of Linux? Steve Jobs came along and gobbled up that market 15 years ago.

My dad! :-P

For non-technical people, I think there's not much difference between using a computer with Ubuntu, Mac or Windows, for regular tasks like browsing the internet, online shopping, sending email, doing stuff in spreadsheets, sharing photographs, etc. Software's mostly the same, in fact. And with this trend to make everything browser based, even more.

Of course things can go wrong, but it doesn't really matter which OS they're using. For example, should this last week botched Windows 10-HP upgrade happened to my father, there's nothing he could have done on his own to restore his computer.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by unstuckdev »

retSava wrote: post #84
nanna wrote: post #70

A point that's not been discussed in the Ubuntu vs Debian discussion here is the difference in communities. A major reason I prefer Ubuntu - ok specifically Kubuntu - is because I find the community around it warm, welcoming, positive, encouraging and inclusive, whereas I found the Debian-user email list cantankerous to say the least. I'm glad there's a place for the kinds of posters out there in the world, but it's…

OT: cantankerous - bad-tempered, argumentative, and uncooperative thanks for the vocabulary expansion!

I (and probably the person you replied to) take all these words for granted. It didn't occur to me someone hadn't heard of them.

Check out the thesaurus entry for cantankerous for some more useful, related, and probably less common than I think terms: https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/cantankerous

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by jki275 »

severino wrote: post #114
hyperbovine wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly though, how many non- technical people do you know who run any form of Linux? Steve Jobs came along and gobbled up that market 15 years ago.

My dad! :-P For non-technical people, I think there's not much difference between using a computer with Ubuntu, Mac or Windows, for regular tasks like browsing the internet, online shopping, sending email, doing stuff in spreadsheets, sharing photographs, etc. Software's mostly the same, in fact. And with this trend to make everything browser based, even more. Of course things can go wrong, but it doesn't really matt…

That's true only so far as using MS Office is not needed...

Most people's computing needs would be adequately served by an iPad -- but those who aren't are typically doing more with their computers than can be met by any OS.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by jki275 »

dunpeal wrote: post #107
hyperbovine wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly though, how many non- technical people do you know who run any form of Linux? Steve Jobs came along and gobbled up that market 15 years ago.

I converted several of my non-technical friends to Ubuntu, including various other people I know. Many of them are running Ubuntu on a laptop that would cover half the cost of a macbook. Not everyone can afford Jobs' prices. Even if Apples were cheap, I consider Ubuntu a much better choice for an aspiring hacker / programmer.

What does a Linux machine do better than a Mac, if price were not a factor?

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by Already__Taken »

teekert wrote: post #100
sritrisna wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using Ubuntu in our development and production environment. It's rock solid. However might switch to Kubuntu as it appears to have better HiDPI support through plasma compared to gnome.

You should also consider KDE Neon, an 18.04 base but KDE/Plasma directly from the devs. If you use Snaps for your useland tools you have very stable base and a super up-to-date userland. I'm very happy with it.

Isn't Neon the bleeding edge release for plasma though? Or would you just call it 1st party supported

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by unstuckdev »

oblio wrote: post #51
ch_123 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is perhaps worth noting that while X.org is about a decade old, it is an implementation of the X Window System protocol which dates back to the mid 80s. Suffice to say, quite a lot has changed in computer graphics/interfaces since that time, and most modern *nix operating systems end up circumventing quite a lot of X to offer modern features. Thus X brings quite a lot of legacy debt to the table which can't be eas…

Also, even back in the day, X wasn't considered the best tech around, at least by some. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS was around. However NeWS' licensing was proprietary and X won out.

Gopher and HTTP had a similar situation. Gopher had a lot going for it, but the future licensing situation was unclear. HTTP was free, clear, and widespread by the time Gopher became GPL.
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