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Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by merb »

tapoxi wrote: post #78
apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora. I also really don't like their use of CLAs and their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap.

to be fair, snap is the only technology that canonical got right from the start and is actually really good, even on other distributions.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by nanna »

hyperbovine wrote: post #73
apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

Honestly though, how many non- technical people do you know who run any form of Linux? Steve Jobs came along and gobbled up that market 15 years ago.

Not sure what the definition of "non-technical" is but I'm finding that among friends who've never heard, say, of emacs, they're increasingly getting tired of how corporate macOS feels, and they feel cheated into having to buy new hardware when apple has dropped support for theirs. I think the question of linux adoption is more just about spreading the word and supporting people to migrate, rather than advocacy of the need.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by etatoby »

KeitIG wrote: post #2

As always, kudos to Canonical to deliver one of the most mature distribution. But. 2018. And still no fractional scaling. This drives me mad. (changing the text scaling is not a solution). Ok, there was Mir, Wayland is late (again)... how can this problem not be solved in 10 years? (genuine question)

I have my Xubuntu desktop set to 1+3/16 if I'm not mistaken (which in 96dpi units is 114) and everything works well. I'm not sure what you mean.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by retSava »

nanna wrote: post #70

A point that's not been discussed in the Ubuntu vs Debian discussion here is the difference in communities. A major reason I prefer Ubuntu - ok specifically Kubuntu - is because I find the community around it warm, welcoming, positive, encouraging and inclusive, whereas I found the Debian-user email list cantankerous to say the least. I'm glad there's a place for the kinds of posters out there in the world, but it's…

OT: cantankerous - bad-tempered, argumentative, and uncooperative

thanks for the vocabulary expansion!

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by bregma »

brendaningram wrote: post #9

Unfortunately, I think Canonical has lost their focus on the desktop user. Every version of Ubuntu since 16.04 has had major issues for me. I have given every one of them a chance to redeem themselves, right up to today trying 18.10. Still no dice... For me, as boring as it sounds, Debian 9 (Stretch) with XFCE is rock solid as a daily driver. I'm not some fuddy duddy doing nothing but text editing either. I code ever…

Canonical got out of the personal computing business in April of 2017. They have a handful of people still contributing to Ubuntu as leverage into the potentially lucrative IoT and In-Vehicle Infotainment (IVI) developer markets, and that's it.

If you're benefiting, it's collateral interest.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by apexalpha »

tapoxi wrote: post #78
apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora. I also really don't like their use of CLAs and their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap.

>I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora.

You mean the distro that coudn't even play an mp3 out of the box? Jeez, I don't know how non-tech people could see this as more complicated...

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by simion314 »

tapoxi wrote: post #78
apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora. I also really don't like their use of CLAs and their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap.

> their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap.

Snap was here before flatpack, what should a company like Canonical do if they want to try something new? Use planted developers in GNOME or other projects to push projects as dependencies into all distributions?

If you do not like Canonical do not use their products, use other distro or BSD. Unity was a nice attempt to get a simple desktop that is not a slave of GNOME designers ideas, unfortunately it fails but I do not understand why people like you are against of options (only if the option is from Canonical) even if Canonical always tried to support all the DEs.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by matteuan »

hyperbovine wrote: post #73
apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

Honestly though, how many non- technical people do you know who run any form of Linux? Steve Jobs came along and gobbled up that market 15 years ago.

my father (61 yo) uses xubuntu daily. I installed it for him years ago instead of Windows 7 and he loves it. He doesn't need to pay for an antivirus anymore and from his prospective it's much faster.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by vetinari »

lllr_finger wrote: post #68
vetinari wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayland is actually pretty stable. Nvidia has problem with OpenGL in Xwayland (i.e. 3d accel for x11 apps), otherwise, it should work. There are warts though, when using Wayland. When using scaling (doesn't have to be fractional, either), X11 apps are being upscaled, not downscaled, resulting in blurriness. Unfortunately, neither Firefox nor Chrome does support Wayland natively, and who wants to use their most used a…

After 10 years of work you still can't do much useful unless you run X and shim it with XWayland. "Stable" is a strange descriptor given this context.

"Stable" and "popular" are two different concepts. Yes, some apps and frameworks didn't bother yet with the switch. Some did, Qt5 or Gtk3 are fine.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by rleigh »

sunseb wrote: post #6
KeitIG wrote: post #2

As always, kudos to Canonical to deliver one of the most mature distribution. But. 2018. And still no fractional scaling. This drives me mad. (changing the text scaling is not a solution). Ok, there was Mir, Wayland is late (again)... how can this problem not be solved in 10 years? (genuine question)

Maybe it's because when you set fractional scaling you lose pixel perfect design (icons, images, and so). https://icons8.com/articles/make-pixel-perfect-icons/

It's 2018. We have had SVG icons for years on Linux, which scale beautifully. Bitmap icons shouldn't be used any longer.
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