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Also, consider this from the manager's perspective. They have to ask themselves: if this person has 35 years of experience, they must have a substantial network, so why aren't they just tapping that resource? Not a single person from this applicant's past wants to give them an interview?
Do you know many developers who hang out with management? Most of the engineers I've worked with over my career have not transitioned into management and have no sway as far as the interview process goes.
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#272Serious question. Is ageism a huge deal? I am not arguing it does not exist but I think about what I have seen in the interviews I have done. We all have biases and I will never be completely unbiased but I try to at least be aware. I sometimes feel that ageism is actually the filter. I notice people I have worked with they at some point stop caring and they kind of give up. They don't stay relevant with whats happen…
They have a 2-5 page resume.
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As a young professional who's realized the importance of maintaining a network, I'd love to learn how you stay in touch with your former co-workers. Do you reach out for weekend lunch dates just to chat? Are people open to that (given work, hobbies, kids, etc.)? I'm having a hard time coming with "excuses" and serendipity to stay in touch with people I'm no longer working with.
I have a personal Slack instance of all the people I've worked with and/or managed--and have earned my trust--over the past 7-8 years. We're close-knit and look out for one another in the Chicago market. We've landed each other new gigs, swarmed to help when someone's in need, etc. That and we're always bouncing news, advice, and helping one another in said Slack instance. Safety in numbers.
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I want to see if someone had five jobs over the last five years. Clear sign of a shit developer.
It's not really a clear sign of anything. Many other things could cause that, such as a desire to learn new things often or changing jobs to increase pay after gaining experience. Technical work can be interesting and exciting at first, but become tiresome after a year of repeating the same shit.
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Try being a minority, and consistently get rejected because you aren't a good "culture fit" on an all white team. edit: I didn't mean to sound like I was trivializing your experience. The "culture fit" is really nasty and sucks for everyone who isn't "the norm".
My experience in tech is that companies will go above and beyond to hire minorities including women, big companies will sometimes lower requirements to get more of these candidates in. You have to be wary though particularly with startups who talk a lot about culture, usually it translates to 'you should be working on our product in your spare time'.
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Also, consider this from the manager's perspective. They have to ask themselves: if this person has 35 years of experience, they must have a substantial network, so why aren't they just tapping that resource? Not a single person from this applicant's past wants to give them an interview?
Do you know many developers who hang out with management? Most of the engineers I've worked with over my career have not transitioned into management and have no sway as far as the interview process goes.
Finding good candidates is expensive and time-consuming. If someone is serving up qualified leads to you on a silver platter, you take them.
Referrals from existing employees are the single highest quality source of candidates for most companies. Many companies even incentivize employees to refer candidates by giving them bonuses if they refer someone who ends up being hired.
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I like working at VMware. It has a good work/life balance, age distribution seems well distributed, and only a couple hackathons a year -- totally optional.
> only a couple hackathons a year Over one hackathon a year sounds like overkill to me, and I've never heard of a company with over two of them (not saying they don't exist of course)
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#278Well US companies don't ask for details that could give away your age. I mean removing the date of your graduation and only including the last 10 ("relevant") years of your experience is not a crime in any sense. I don't feel my age is as much a problem as raising my rates. That definitely makes things a bit more challenging. I have two experiences in the last year that were a bit strange. One was a guy that kind of…
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#279He was brilliant: He knew a lot, did a lot, and still wanted to learn. He kept his skills up-to-date trying out a new technology every year for personal projects. Having contracted for years he'd been in lots of companies and that also gave a lot of variety of skills and experience.
Edit: He worked 4 months for us, and we'd have kept him longer but he had plans to travel around Europe in his caravan for the summer.
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Care to list a few for those who might be looking for something like that?
I work at SAP. I'd say we're pretty neutral on age - I work with people 20 years younger to 2 years older than me. I think I've put in maybe two 40+ hour weeks in the past 5 years. I manage several devs and I hate dashing the younger (or ambitious) ones' dreams of resume driven development. My team handles a legacy system that neither crashes frequently nor needs extensive refactoring. "Sorry, cutting up and containe…