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Care to list a few for those who might be looking for something like that?
Danaher / Danaher Labs - assuming you can avoid having a bad manager. Our home room would regularly scold us gently for working late / weekends. The problem was, the home room wasn't really in charge.
Abandon the Bay Area. It seems to me that ethnocentricity is rampant in the bay as a sub cultural norm. For example the Bay Area is big on tolerance, but if you choose to voice political concerns that challenges the area’s popularity you will be silently shunned and ignored which counter-intuitively is intolerance. As a solid example review the firing of Brendan Eich from Mozilla. This kind of self-satisfying inward-…
Eich's donations to causes restricted the freedom of his employees. That's generally considered a "no-no" when it comes to being liked by your employees. Shockingly, they may even protest it.
Tolerance is a comforting and popular term in the Bay Area. What people there are actually seeking is the enemy of tolerance: harmony. I really don’t care about people’s silly justifications for not seeing the difference, because either way it’s generally a personal delusion, a self-deception.
Abandon the Bay Area. It seems to me that ethnocentricity is rampant in the bay as a sub cultural norm. For example the Bay Area is big on tolerance, but if you choose to voice political concerns that challenges the area’s popularity you will be silently shunned and ignored which counter-intuitively is intolerance. As a solid example review the firing of Brendan Eich from Mozilla. This kind of self-satisfying inward-…
I like how everyone is so concerned with Eich, but not at all with the LGBT employees of his, for whom his actions flat out told them that he considered them second class citizens. Eich did not "challenge the area's popularity", his actions said that he felt those people were not deserving of the same rights that he was.
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Eich's donations to causes restricted the freedom of his employees. That's generally considered a "no-no" when it comes to being liked by your employees. Shockingly, they may even protest it.
Perhaps. The issue here is should somebody be completely destroyed for a difference of opinion? In the Bay Area the answer is a resounding yes . Tolerance is a comforting and popular term in the Bay Area. What people there are actually seeking is the enemy of tolerance: harmony . I really don’t care about people’s silly justifications for not seeing the difference, because either way it’s generally a personal delusio…
Calling it a "difference of opinion" is really masking the entire thing. He was saying that, not only are LGBT people not deserving of the same rights that he had, but that we should be able to vote on what rights they have. Can you see how dehumanizing that is?
And I cannot take your bit about "tolerance" seriously when we're talking about someone who, themselves, was not showing any kind of tolerance.
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Eich's donations to causes restricted the freedom of his employees. That's generally considered a "no-no" when it comes to being liked by your employees. Shockingly, they may even protest it.
Actually, I don't think my management's political activities are any of my business, and vice versa. Once upon a time, this was known as being a busybody and intensely frowned upon.
> I've been applying for everything from senior engineer to VP of engineering. Ever since I turned 60 last year, I'm getting no hits on my resume. For senior engineer, the sweet spot is around 10 years of experience ( like early 30s ). Too young or too old or too little experience or too much experience, you're resume is going in the trash can ( or more likely just filtered by software ). Your degrees and ICPC champi…
I hadn't thought about it, but this might be an alternative explanation for the apparent ageism in hiring. Assuming that most "old" candidates are white/asian males, which is probably true, and assuming a bias against white/asian males, also probably true, you could end up with apparent ageism even though no one actually cares much about age. Interesting.
Doesn't matter that much in practice, as getting less white (Warren notwithstanding) isn't any easier than getting less old.
There are a few things that might be going on here. I have done a lot of dev hiring over the last 10 years in the Bay Area and this is what I've seen: 1. Ageism is very real in the bay area. People see a huge list of experience going back to 1985 and graduation dates in that range and they filter you. It is terrible but true. If you are sending a 5 page resume of experience to win them over, try including only your b…
In addition to what the parent suggests (great ideas, and similar to suggestions I was going to make)... If you're in a hot/young market like the Bay Area, then it may be worth considering moving to a secondary market. I'm in Phoenix, and know that spots in Texas, Atlanta and other areas are similar in that there's more line of business software development that has a lot of people that re a bit older. Right now, I t…
Look for an engineering services firm and work as a subcontractor. We're currently employing several guys who are 60 (+/-5). Also... sorry... but try the defense industry. They have insanely low standards.
OP: Not sure why you are down-voted. The HackerNews Community seems to dislike telling the truth if it is surrounded by even a hint of negativity. Can you be more specific about what you mean by "engineering services firm"?
"We won't hire you because you're old, but don't you dare go to those guys who will, because we hate them." lol
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Actually, I don't think my management's political activities are any of my business, and vice versa. Once upon a time, this was known as being a busybody and intensely frowned upon.
Even when those political activities are them saying that you are not deserving of the same rights as other people?
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I've instinctively done this for the last little while (I'm approaching my 50s). I list the last handful of jobs and no dates on the university courses etc. I don't put a huge list of languages and technology I've used, just the most recent and relevant. Not having problems so far.
As a hiring manager involved in many hires over the past few years, this is excellent advice for anyone with ~10 years or more of experience.
While a "35 year career in Silicon Valley" might sound impressive to some people (and perhaps rightly so), as a hiring manager I probably don't care about any projects/technologies you worked on in 1983... I want to know whether you can do the project I need delivered now. Tell me what you worked on last year and in the last 5 years - skim over or leave out the rest.
(If you're dealing through recruiters instead of directly with hiring managers, you've got a different set of problems - the solution to which is probably ignore the recruiters and don't play that game - surely a 35 year career has left you with a network that can bypass those rent-seeking gatekeepers?)