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Cannabis is legal in Canada: What you need to know

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Post by number_six »

doombolt wrote: post #176
bregma wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The legislation I linked to suspends all constitutionally-guaranteed rights "at" the border (ie within 100 miles of a border crossing, including any airports with international flights) if you are not an American citizen. The suspension of constitutional rights has been tried and upheld by a number of SCOTUS cases. There is no international body regulating any other kind of right, despite the well-meaning intention o…

If you are not an American citizen you are still a citizen of some other country, which has its own obligations before its citizens to uphold their human rights, even when they cross someone other's border. This may end up ugly for the USA if they try to abuse that decision. Not every country in this world is Mexico.

>which has its own obligations before its citizens to uphold their human rights

So you want the country the person is traveling from to impose their Will on the country they are traveling to?

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Post by arandr0x »

bregma wrote: post #102
arandr0x wrote: post #79

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Production is also largely illegal in Canada, with the exception in some of the province of very limited growing for personal use. Legalization is, of course, legalizing consumption, there will be a government monopoly on the parts of the chains that actually generate money. You'll have to wait a while for the case study -- maybe until the US itself legalizes.

Production is legal and regulated in Canada. It's big business, and a major employer in my region. The value of my shares in cannabis-industry ETFs have tripled in the last few months.

It's so regulated as to be effectively impossible for individuals to get into unless they have serious connections. I've seen the stocks on the TSX too. I was going by the meaning of the previous posters, which seemed to be saying that all the previously illegal players in the food chain could now step into the limelight and/or that new players could easily get in the industry -- it couldn't be farther from the truth.

It's true that those businesses who benefitted from the regulation stand to be making serious money, and I suppose that is different from the situation in the Netherlands in a major way.

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Post by [deleted] »

moate wrote: post #237
rfrey wrote: post #149

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I've met a number of people (all American, so I infer it's due to some American news sources) that believe Canadians are arrested on a regular basis for flimsy and arbitrary claims of hate speech, and those arrests are political. The same people tend to believe we wait six months and probably die before getting cancer treatment because of our socialized medical system. So chalk it up to Canada being used in the parti…

You can chalk it up to Jordan Peterson and his fanboys insisting that white men are the most oppressed group in this upside down new world we live in. That segment really likes to paint Canada as the thought-police boogie man.

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Post by badsoftwaredev »

kenrose wrote: post #140
49para wrote: post #105

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"Canada is leading in personal freedoms", perhaps in weed laws, not in free speech etc.

> not in free speech etc. What's your source on this? Free speech is enshrined as a "fundamental freedom" in the Charter. There are reasonable limits as well, to ensure that things like hate speech are deemed illegal.

Freedom of Expression.

Some American's think their interpretation of Free Speech is the only correct one and if you don't follow it then you have no freedom of speech.

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Post by badsoftwaredev »

moate wrote: post #237
rfrey wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've met a number of people (all American, so I infer it's due to some American news sources) that believe Canadians are arrested on a regular basis for flimsy and arbitrary claims of hate speech, and those arrests are political. The same people tend to believe we wait six months and probably die before getting cancer treatment because of our socialized medical system. So chalk it up to Canada being used in the parti…

You can chalk it up to Jordan Peterson and his fanboys insisting that white men are the most oppressed group in this upside down new world we live in. That segment really likes to paint Canada as the thought-police boogie man.

Peterson is right, just look at all the arrests! https://www.reddit.com/r/ArrestedCanadaBillC16/

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Post by antidesitter »

coryfklein wrote: post #296
Tharkun wrote: post #6

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> US border guards might deny you entry if you admit to previous cannabis use What? How? Why? That makes no sense.

Border guards are duty-bound to turn away people that they suspect are likely to commit crime and, in the United States as a whole, weed possession/consumption is still considered a crime worthy of jail time. Although I think weed should be legal, in the mean time I am not interested in my taxes paying for the confinement or deportation of Canadians. Ergo, one can support weed legalization and also believe that weed…

> Although I think weed should be legal, in the mean time I am not interested in my taxes paying for the confinement or deportation of Canadians. Ergo, one can support weed legalization and also believe that weed consumption can be used from a practical perspective to deny entrance to foreigners.

This makes no sense. How does having consumed weed in the past entail that one will consume weed in the United States? This is like saying that a person who has driven on the left in the past will drive on the left in the United States, and should therefore be denied entry. It's ridiculous.

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Post by benbristow »

Symbiote wrote: post #162
beloch wrote: post #47

How Canada interfaces with the rest of the world promises to be a bit screwy. For just one example, consider airline staff. Some Canadian airlines have already banned employees from using pot. Obviously, the general public doesn't want to fly with pilots that are high in more than one way. These airlines also have to operate in countries, like the U.S., where their employees could be detained or expelled for even adm…

> Being able to look foreign gatekeepers in the face and deny having ever used a product that's legal in your native country is now a necessary job requirement for some. This is not so different from being arrested for having drunk alcohol at the UAE border. (In this case, alcohol supplied by the Dubai airline.) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/11/woman-arrest... https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/u…

From every headline there's a backstory.

I've been to Dubai Airport and had a pint. No problem. There's bars all over the place. Even an official Heineken bar.

Just don't act like an ass and you'll be fine.

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Post by Reedx »

moate wrote: post #237
rfrey wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've met a number of people (all American, so I infer it's due to some American news sources) that believe Canadians are arrested on a regular basis for flimsy and arbitrary claims of hate speech, and those arrests are political. The same people tend to believe we wait six months and probably die before getting cancer treatment because of our socialized medical system. So chalk it up to Canada being used in the parti…

You can chalk it up to Jordan Peterson and his fanboys insisting that white men are the most oppressed group in this upside down new world we live in. That segment really likes to paint Canada as the thought-police boogie man.

Er, engaging in the oppression olympics is the opposite of what he does.

His argument is that people should be judged as individuals, not by what group they randomly happen to be part of.

Peterson advocates for free speech and MLK's dream: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

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Post by poulsbohemian »

coryfklein wrote: post #293
poulsbohemian wrote: post #287

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Au contraire, that's my point - it is legal in the state of Washington, by the vote and actions of the people. Likewise, by the vote and actions of the people of British Columbia it is legal. But, to a political body 2000 miles away it is not. And, because they have a representative who stands in a little box separating those two groups who have voted and acted, it is somehow made illegal should he or she wish to har…

> it is legal in the state of Washington, by the vote and actions of the people The people who live in Washington only decide a subset of the laws for the state. It is still illegal to possess or consume weed in Washington because WA is a part of the United States of America, where weed is illegal nationwide. The "United States of America" as a political body is defined by the borders of the United States of America…

You are missing the nuance of what I'm saying, but I don't have the energy to explain it right now.

Are you the Cory Klein in Minnesota (with whom I went to college)?

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