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I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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"Probably neither the author nor I would be willing to pay for a subscription without ad subsidies." There are a lot of counter examples to this. Hulu, Spotify, Ars Technica, YouTube Premium, etc... People are willing and able to pay for ad-free content.

(Few of these are news sources worthy of note.)

Why do you think news consumers are different than YouTube consumers?

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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The answer may not be pleasing, but it's true: because "paid subscribers" represent a valuable advertising demographic/segment. They are nearly certain you are human traffic, and you have enough disposable income that you pay for news.

You can pretty much make this argument for everything - Ferraris should be plastered by LCDs with ads then. Business class airplanes filled with blinking video ads. Entrances to highend butiques crowded with people pushing ad leaflets into rich peoples hands.... Why is it acceptable on the web?

>Ferraris should be plastered by LCDs

Why are you so certain that Ferrari doesn't remarket their buyers?

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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You can pretty much make this argument for everything - Ferraris should be plastered by LCDs with ads then. Business class airplanes filled with blinking video ads. Entrances to highend butiques crowded with people pushing ad leaflets into rich peoples hands.... Why is it acceptable on the web?

I don't know if Ferraris sold here have this, but many cars sold in Poland have licence plate frame with dealer's name and contact even though you have no agreement with them to advertise their company when you're buying new car. For some (Mitsubishi iirc) they put some kind of semi translucent sticker on your trunk with dealer's name about 2 x 3 inches.

Funny thing is I removed mine when I got my new car home. When I took my car in for a service it came back with new plate surround.

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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So what does that mean? That we need to be shoved ads in our faces at every step of our life even if we pay for products? Just because someone wants to make even more money? What's your takeaway here?

I don't have a "takeaway", but the Bezos quote, "Your margin is my opportunity," comes to mind. We live in capitalism, and in this system, "good user experience" only matters insofar as it is profitable for whoever is providing that user experience. If ads for subscribers are so annoying that people stop subscribing, then companies might stop advertising to them. But if they are not annoying enough to affect those nu…

> If ads for subscribers are so annoying that people stop subscribing, then companies might stop advertising to them.

It also matters if there is any actual competition that does tings better. Cable TV is having a bad time, in large part it is because of ads, but it is only happening because of the streaming services.

Airlines are a competitive service, but newspapers are not.

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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post #93

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I don't know if Ferraris sold here have this, but many cars sold in Poland have licence plate frame with dealer's name and contact even though you have no agreement with them to advertise their company when you're buying new car. For some (Mitsubishi iirc) they put some kind of semi translucent sticker on your trunk with dealer's name about 2 x 3 inches.

Funny thing is I removed mine when I got my new car home. When I took my car in for a service it came back with new plate surround.

That is incredibly obnoxious. Wouldn't they need your permission to make that modification?

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Wait until screens get cheap enough... you'll have 4k ads rolling on each screen that are tailored from your name in your ticket.

This happens in the back of cabs in a lot of places I seem to remember and it’s incredibly difficult to switch off... we essentially are heading for some super weird dystopian sci-fi film right now. It’s terrifying.

The adverts are why I et uber in New York rather than taxis.

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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post #7

There are ads in the paper newspaper I subscribe to as well. Real reporting and quality writing don't come cheaply, and that hasn't changed just because the delivery method did. Probably neither the author nor I would be willing to pay for a subscription without ad subsidies.

Ads on paper are not nearly as intrusive. It is also quite disrespectful considering the tracking etc. that comes with it. How many more subscribers would they get if they didn't treat them as garbage?

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Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Out of curiosity, does anyone have a ballpark estimate for what a no-ad online subscription would cost if we assume the parent is true?

According to the New York Times latest earnings call, subscriptions account for 2/3 of their revenue. So ballpark roughly 50% more than the current subscription price would be necessary to maintain revenue at the same subscriber count sans other revenue streams.

Don't think that's quite the right calculation.

Revenue = subscriber revenue + ad revenue from ads shown to subscribers + ad revenue from ads shown to non-subscribers

The suggestions was to eliminate the middle piece and increase the subscription price to make up for it in the first piece. That's still leaves the last piece.

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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> Do you ever notice that your in-flight magazine has ads? Yes. And on a recent trip to India, it got even worse. SpiceJet (domestic airlines) has ads on the back of the headrest of EVERY SEAT. Physical paper printed Ads! So you are staring at it for the entirety of your trip. I kid you not.

Ads on the back of he seat in an airplane are very common in European airlines. One of the most obnoxious, intrusive, literally in-your-face ads as it’s 40cm from one’s face with no real option to get away from it.

I've flown LH, BA and FI in Europe this year and don't recall any back of seat adverts

There are some in the on board magazines I suppose, I don't read them though, why would I?

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