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I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Post by bootlooped »

JasonFruit wrote: post #2

There are ads in the paper newspaper I subscribe to as well. Real reporting and quality writing don't come cheaply, and that hasn't changed just because the delivery method did. Probably neither the author nor I would be willing to pay for a subscription without ad subsidies.

"Probably neither the author nor I would be willing to pay for a subscription without ad subsidies."

There are a lot of counter examples to this. Hulu, Spotify, Ars Technica, YouTube Premium, etc... People are willing and able to pay for ad-free content.

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Post by bootlooped »

gunnihinn wrote: post #9
JasonFruit wrote: post #2

There are ads in the paper newspaper I subscribe to as well. Real reporting and quality writing don't come cheaply, and that hasn't changed just because the delivery method did. Probably neither the author nor I would be willing to pay for a subscription without ad subsidies.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a ballpark estimate for what a no-ad online subscription would cost if we assume the parent is true?

If you look up estimates of Facebook ad revenue per user, they're all in the range of $4 - $15 per year.

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Post by Pulcinella »

izacus wrote: post #16
pixelmonkey wrote: post #4

The answer may not be pleasing, but it's true: because "paid subscribers" represent a valuable advertising demographic/segment. They are nearly certain you are human traffic, and you have enough disposable income that you pay for news.

You can pretty much make this argument for everything - Ferraris should be plastered by LCDs with ads then. Business class airplanes filled with blinking video ads. Entrances to highend butiques crowded with people pushing ad leaflets into rich peoples hands.... Why is it acceptable on the web?

Ferraris are plastered with ads https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_SF71H#/media/File%3A...

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Post by justboxing »

pixelmonkey wrote: post #27
izacus wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can pretty much make this argument for everything - Ferraris should be plastered by LCDs with ads then. Business class airplanes filled with blinking video ads. Entrances to highend butiques crowded with people pushing ad leaflets into rich peoples hands.... Why is it acceptable on the web?

This does happen in other places. Do you ever notice that your in-flight magazine has ads? You've already paid for the flight. Your in-theater movie kicks off with trailers and previews -- you have already paid for the movie ticket. And so on.

> Do you ever notice that your in-flight magazine has ads?

Yes. And on a recent trip to India, it got even worse. SpiceJet (domestic airlines) has ads on the back of the headrest of EVERY SEAT.

Physical paper printed Ads!

So you are staring at it for the entirety of your trip. I kid you not.

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

#35

Post by izacus »

Pulcinella wrote: post #33
izacus wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can pretty much make this argument for everything - Ferraris should be plastered by LCDs with ads then. Business class airplanes filled with blinking video ads. Entrances to highend butiques crowded with people pushing ad leaflets into rich peoples hands.... Why is it acceptable on the web?

Ferraris are plastered with ads https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_SF71H#/media/File%3A...

Did you deliberately misunderstand my point just to nitpick something fully unrelated to discussion? :/

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Post by mhb »

twblalock wrote: post #28
pixelmonkey wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does happen in other places. Do you ever notice that your in-flight magazine has ads? You've already paid for the flight. Your in-theater movie kicks off with trailers and previews -- you have already paid for the movie ticket. And so on.

And if you subscribe to a paper newspaper or magazine, that has ads too.

Consumer Reports doesn't have ads.

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

#37

Post by izacus »

pixelmonkey wrote: post #27
izacus wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can pretty much make this argument for everything - Ferraris should be plastered by LCDs with ads then. Business class airplanes filled with blinking video ads. Entrances to highend butiques crowded with people pushing ad leaflets into rich peoples hands.... Why is it acceptable on the web?

This does happen in other places. Do you ever notice that your in-flight magazine has ads? You've already paid for the flight. Your in-theater movie kicks off with trailers and previews -- you have already paid for the movie ticket. And so on.

So what does that mean? That we need to be shoved ads in our faces at every step of our life even if we pay for products? Just because someone wants to make even more money? What's your takeaway here?

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Post by JeanMarcS »

It’s the problem with news websites/magazines/paper. They live because there are ads in it.

And so would they criticize companies that put a lot of cash on them ? Perhaps. May be not.

In France, we have a news website [0] which is totally independent, and only accessible for paying subscribers. It took them a few years and now they are earning money.

You might or might not agree with their editorial line, but the fact is that they can investigate any company without hesitation.

It’s hard, but I think it’s the only way to have an independent information.

[0] https://www.mediapart.fr

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

#39

Post by csydas »

izacus wrote: post #35
Pulcinella wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ferraris are plastered with ads https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_SF71H#/media/File%3A...

Did you deliberately misunderstand my point just to nitpick something fully unrelated to discussion? :/

Because your point is pretty shallow, to be honest. The simple fact is that such tactics do happen in virtually every situation you described. Ad-metrics are super important to virtually every industry now; it may not be the backbone of these industries, but no one scoffs at the paycheck once it's said and done.

Your point really doesn't add much to a conversation, since its premise is faulty. We accept such advertising on the web because we accept it in virtually every aspect of our lives.

Re: I Pay for News; Why Do I Still See Intrusive Ads? (2017)

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Post by na85 »

izacus wrote: post #37
pixelmonkey wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does happen in other places. Do you ever notice that your in-flight magazine has ads? You've already paid for the flight. Your in-theater movie kicks off with trailers and previews -- you have already paid for the movie ticket. And so on.

So what does that mean? That we need to be shoved ads in our faces at every step of our life even if we pay for products? Just because someone wants to make even more money? What's your takeaway here?

The takeaway is that advertisers don't care what you think and do in fact believe that they should shove ads in your face every step of your life, even if you pay for a product.

Welcome to the world. Half the users of this site are actively perpetuating the corporate dystopia we inhabit.

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