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Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by esalman »

fermienrico wrote: post #9

It’s very simple: As a consumer, we cannot trust any advertisement company. Their goals are in direct conflict with user privacy. In fact it’s not a wishful goal, it is their business model. Our attention is very expensive and everything is designed around us to grab us by the neck so to speak. Flashing ads, stories and feeds. I cannot, absolutely cannot, trust Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Facebook, Visa, Amex,…

The problem is that people who understand the value of privacy are probably less than 1% of the total population. The rest don't understand or don't care and they are the target consumers of the said corporations. So simply logging out of Facebook or start buying Apple products yourself is not enough anymore. For the same reason I can't buy your prediction about next big successful companies, even if I would like to.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by jonny_eh »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #33
elvinyung wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about something like Patreon? There probably needs to be a social and cultural shift (i.e. not just technology) to make micropayment "marketplaces" for creators and content actually viable, but I would actually reasonably bet that this is one probable way forward.

I look at Patreon profiles for pretty popular YouTube channels, and rarely do I see them pulling in more than a few hundred bucks a month. I can only assume they earn most of their money via YT Monetization or with their own ads in video.

The few channels I contribute to earn enough to live on. Here's a couple:

https://www.patreon.com/CaptainDisillusion/overview ($11,471/month)

https://www.patreon.com/GameMakersToolkit/overview ($9,882/month)

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

#54

Post by toomuchtodo »

esalman wrote: post #51
fermienrico wrote: post #9

It’s very simple: As a consumer, we cannot trust any advertisement company. Their goals are in direct conflict with user privacy. In fact it’s not a wishful goal, it is their business model. Our attention is very expensive and everything is designed around us to grab us by the neck so to speak. Flashing ads, stories and feeds. I cannot, absolutely cannot, trust Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Facebook, Visa, Amex,…

The problem is that people who understand the value of privacy are probably less than 1% of the total population. The rest don't understand or don't care and they are the target consumers of the said corporations. So simply logging out of Facebook or start buying Apple products yourself is not enough anymore. For the same reason I can't buy your prediction about next big successful companies, even if I would like to.

> The problem is that people who understand the value of privacy are probably less than 1% of the total population.

This is more than enough people to encourage public policy makers to make appropriate policy decisions, and failing that, run for office.

Are you a squeaky wheel? If not, make yourself one.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

#56

Post by kroltan »

nbardy wrote: post #42
fermienrico wrote: post #9

It’s very simple: As a consumer, we cannot trust any advertisement company. Their goals are in direct conflict with user privacy. In fact it’s not a wishful goal, it is their business model. Our attention is very expensive and everything is designed around us to grab us by the neck so to speak. Flashing ads, stories and feeds. I cannot, absolutely cannot, trust Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Facebook, Visa, Amex,…

Why is Adobe in there? Are they really an ad company?

"Eat, drink, and breathe insights with Adobe Analytics."

https://www.adobe.com/analytics/adobe-analytics.html

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by esalman »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #54
esalman wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that people who understand the value of privacy are probably less than 1% of the total population. The rest don't understand or don't care and they are the target consumers of the said corporations. So simply logging out of Facebook or start buying Apple products yourself is not enough anymore. For the same reason I can't buy your prediction about next big successful companies, even if I would like to.

> The problem is that people who understand the value of privacy are probably less than 1% of the total population. This is more than enough people to encourage public policy makers to make appropriate policy decisions, and failing that, run for office. Are you a squeaky wheel? If not, make yourself one.

It's funny because just this morning I came across and read through an article on how hard it has become for progressive minded people to run for, let alone actually get to the office. Here's the link if anyone is interested: http://idlewords.com/2018/10/portrait_of_a_campaign.htm

Sorry if it sounds offensive, but I feel that we (hacker news crowd) really overestimate ourselves. Each one of our votes has the same weight as the rest of the population.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

#58

Post by CPLX »

downrightmike wrote: post #32
Animats wrote: post #24

Maybe there's an opportunity here for someone to do to Facebook what Craigslist did to print newspapers. What people want is a way to keep in touch with their friends. But that's not a big revenue generator. So the "social networks" put in ads, "sponsored tweets", and other crap. Then users get fed up and leave. (Doubling down on ads as the number of users drops is called "pulling a Myspace"). A basic friends-only sy…

The thing is called "personal weblogs", or "blogs" for short.

It's really not. A configurable feed of updates from friends is, in fact, a distinct digital product. That seems self-evident to be honest.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by wil421 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #49
pmiller2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You left off Amazon from the “can’t trust” list. IMO they would be there even if they hadn’t recently started expanding into advertising, because their business model seems to be to expand existing operations until there’s a critical mass, then slither off into an adjacent sector and repeat. And, just to round out the list, Netflix looks like one that’s actually trustworthy. They don’t advertise, and the info they ha…

There are enormous amounts of product placement in Netflix's content.

Most people don’t get mad when they see a coke bottle or an Apple product placed in a scene of a movie or tv show. People do get mad when they are trying to watch TV and they keep being forced to watch a commercial.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by hathawsh »

downrightmike wrote: post #32
Animats wrote: post #24

Maybe there's an opportunity here for someone to do to Facebook what Craigslist did to print newspapers. What people want is a way to keep in touch with their friends. But that's not a big revenue generator. So the "social networks" put in ads, "sponsored tweets", and other crap. Then users get fed up and leave. (Doubling down on ads as the number of users drops is called "pulling a Myspace"). A basic friends-only sy…

The thing is called "personal weblogs", or "blogs" for short.

Blogs are a good answer for the question "how do I post?", but not a good answer for the question "how do I read?". Most people want some kind of aggregator. There are many aggregators out there, but if the answer to the question "how do I post?" is different from the answer to the question "how do I read?", then most people won't overcome the technical friction. Facebook, Twitter, etc. solved the problem by answering both questions, along with other important questions like "how do I restrict who can read my posts?" and "how do I bring in my friends and family?".

I'd really love to see a resurgence of blogs, but any replacement for Facebook needs adequate answers to the kind of questions that blogs always left unanswered.

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