Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by bstn » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:45 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #13

fermienrico wrote: post #9

It’s very simple: As a consumer, we cannot trust any advertisement company. Their goals are in direct conflict with user privacy. In fact it’s not a wishful goal, it is their business model. Our attention is very expensive and everything is designed around us to grab us by the neck so to speak. Flashing ads, stories and feeds. I cannot, absolutely cannot, trust Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Facebook, Visa, Amex,…

I agree in general, but what free ad-supported services do Adobe and Microsoft offer?

Bing?

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by s3r3nity » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:45 PM UTC

lozaning wrote: post #15

fermienrico wrote: post #9

It’s very simple: As a consumer, we cannot trust any advertisement company. Their goals are in direct conflict with user privacy. In fact it’s not a wishful goal, it is their business model. Our attention is very expensive and everything is designed around us to grab us by the neck so to speak. Flashing ads, stories and feeds. I cannot, absolutely cannot, trust Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Facebook, Visa, Amex,…

Curious as to how you lump Adobe in with that group. Last I checked they just wanted everyone to buy photoshop, did something change? EDIT: Damn, F Adobe

Adobe has a massive DMP ("Data Management Platform.")

I recommend taking some time to research DMPs and their place ad-tech ecosystem, if you're not aware about them, and be prepared to shit your pants at what they know about you.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by zamalek » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:46 PM UTC

metalrain wrote: post #6

noncoml wrote: post #3

Is it your data that it wants or your attention?

Data can be used to get attention. So data first, then however they can monetize that.

Attention is then, in-turn, used to get data. It's a lucrative feedback loop.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by Animats » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:46 PM UTC

Maybe there's an opportunity here for someone to do to Facebook what Craigslist did to print newspapers. What people want is a way to keep in touch with their friends. But that's not a big revenue generator. So the "social networks" put in ads, "sponsored tweets", and other crap. Then users get fed up and leave. (Doubling down on ads as the number of users drops is called "pulling a Myspace").

A basic friends-only system isn't that expensive to run. A low-budget operation like Craigslist could do it with a modest staff. A low fee or infrequent ads could bring in enough revenue to keep it running.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by shmerl » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:47 PM UTC

Don't use Facebook, as simple as that. Prefer decentralized social networks if you need them, ones that aren't built around profiting on your profile.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by ddtaylor » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:48 PM UTC

It appears the Facebook Apology Tour continues.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/facebook-mark-zuckerber...

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by pmiller2 » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:48 PM UTC

lozaning wrote: post #15

fermienrico wrote: post #9

It’s very simple: As a consumer, we cannot trust any advertisement company. Their goals are in direct conflict with user privacy. In fact it’s not a wishful goal, it is their business model. Our attention is very expensive and everything is designed around us to grab us by the neck so to speak. Flashing ads, stories and feeds. I cannot, absolutely cannot, trust Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Facebook, Visa, Amex,…

Curious as to how you lump Adobe in with that group. Last I checked they just wanted everyone to buy photoshop, did something change? EDIT: Damn, F Adobe

/s/buy photoshop/subscribe to Creative Suite/g and you’re right, IMO.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by fermienrico » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:49 PM UTC

pmiller2 wrote: post #16

fermienrico wrote: post #9

It’s very simple: As a consumer, we cannot trust any advertisement company. Their goals are in direct conflict with user privacy. In fact it’s not a wishful goal, it is their business model. Our attention is very expensive and everything is designed around us to grab us by the neck so to speak. Flashing ads, stories and feeds. I cannot, absolutely cannot, trust Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Facebook, Visa, Amex,…

You left off Amazon from the “can’t trust” list. IMO they would be there even if they hadn’t recently started expanding into advertising, because their business model seems to be to expand existing operations until there’s a critical mass, then slither off into an adjacent sector and repeat. And, just to round out the list, Netflix looks like one that’s actually trustworthy. They don’t advertise, and the info they ha…

That's a good point about Amazon, I added it. Amazon has an incredible amount of data about my purchase history. I'll also add Amex, Visa, and MasterCard.

Netflix - I am conflicted between the choice of giving up my privacy to provide better suggestions. How about I actively go research for a particular movie on my own? Why do I need AI telling me what to watch. Word of mouth is a fantastic way to get recommendations. On the other hand, I would have not found interesting music on Spotify if it wasn't for their recommendation system / radio.

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by marmaduke » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:49 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #13

fermienrico wrote: post #9

It’s very simple: As a consumer, we cannot trust any advertisement company. Their goals are in direct conflict with user privacy. In fact it’s not a wishful goal, it is their business model. Our attention is very expensive and everything is designed around us to grab us by the neck so to speak. Flashing ads, stories and feeds. I cannot, absolutely cannot, trust Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Facebook, Visa, Amex,…

I agree in general, but what free ad-supported services do Adobe and Microsoft offer?

Maybe the recent open source efforts and GitHub thing: if devs aren’t paying..

Re: Facebook Isn’t Sorry, It Just Wants Your Data

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Post by downrightmike » Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 6:49 PM UTC

pmiller2 wrote: post #16

fermienrico wrote: post #9

It’s very simple: As a consumer, we cannot trust any advertisement company. Their goals are in direct conflict with user privacy. In fact it’s not a wishful goal, it is their business model. Our attention is very expensive and everything is designed around us to grab us by the neck so to speak. Flashing ads, stories and feeds. I cannot, absolutely cannot, trust Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Adobe, Facebook, Visa, Amex,…

You left off Amazon from the “can’t trust” list. IMO they would be there even if they hadn’t recently started expanding into advertising, because their business model seems to be to expand existing operations until there’s a critical mass, then slither off into an adjacent sector and repeat. And, just to round out the list, Netflix looks like one that’s actually trustworthy. They don’t advertise, and the info they ha…

There are US laws against sharing out what shows people are watching. So kinda nips that model in the bud.