The US is going to lose a war this way.
Is there any reason to believe the state of Russian/Chinese/etc. security is any better in this regard?
DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon Systems Vulnerabilities
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Re: DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon Systems Vulnerabilities
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many of your technical details are badly incorrect. Not sure who you talked to, but they're not well informed.
Based on what? He's quoting people he talked to and reports what he's seen. Whereas you just naysay.
Re: DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon Systems Vulnerabilities
#43The good stuff is in the PDF: https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/694913.pdf - Running a port scan caused the weapons system to fail - One admin password for a system was guessed in nine seconds - "Nearly all major acquisition programs that were operationally tested between 2012 and 2017 had mission-critical cyber vulnerabilities that adversaries could compromise." - Taking over systems was pretty much playing on easy mod…
Aren’t there reams of security standards and thousands of man-years of security compliance bureaucracy for even the most basic DOD IT projects? And they still have trivial vulnerabilities like this? Is the process really that useless?
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They are trusted by internal machines -- since a lot of internal authentication relies on these certificates. The DOD long ago moved away from password-based authentication mechanisms to certificate-based authentication (GSC-IS initially (CAC), now NIST SP 800-73 (PIV; CAC II)) and so the system will have the correct certificates or the user generally won't be able to login. What I find as the most common error is th…
This bit is curious. I was issued a CAC while I was in, and as you said, it eliminated the need for passwords. But the internal sites (no matter if it was a laptop from the comm section, a hardwired desktop in a unit's building, or a desktop in a base facility) always failed the check for the certificate store. I always got the security warning (or insecure message) regardless of browser.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Test reports we reviewed make it clear that simply having cybersecurity controls does not mean a system is secure. How the controls are implemented can significantly affect cybersecurity. For example, one test report we reviewed indicated that the system had implemented rolebased access control, but internal system communications were unencrypted. Because the system’s internal communications were unencrypted, a reg…
> scary if the military is driven like an MBA only led business with no influence from engineering/security Having known many people that worked in/around the military and defense industry, this seems like our reality.
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#46You'll see things here that look odd, even antiquated to modern eyes. Phones with cords, awkward manual valves, computers that barely deserve the name. But all of it is intentional. It's all designed to operate in combat against an enemy who could infiltrate and disrupt all but the most basic computer systems. Of course, those attitudes have changed through the years and Galactica is something of a relic. A reminder…
Re: DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon Systems Vulnerabilities
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are trusted by internal machines -- since a lot of internal authentication relies on these certificates. The DOD long ago moved away from password-based authentication mechanisms to certificate-based authentication (GSC-IS initially (CAC), now NIST SP 800-73 (PIV; CAC II)) and so the system will have the correct certificates or the user generally won't be able to login. What I find as the most common error is th…
This bit is curious. I was issued a CAC while I was in, and as you said, it eliminated the need for passwords. But the internal sites (no matter if it was a laptop from the comm section, a hardwired desktop in a unit's building, or a desktop in a base facility) always failed the check for the certificate store. I always got the security warning (or insecure message) regardless of browser.
Re: DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon Systems Vulnerabilities
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> scary if the military is driven like an MBA only led business with no influence from engineering/security Having known many people that worked in/around the military and defense industry, this seems like our reality.
The modern DoD is based around the Asst Sec Defs and business processes put in place by Robert McNamara, who came from Ford. It's all stats and businees. Engineers and scientists are generally considered a sideshow, a workforce to quantitate.
The amount we pay for security, it is appalling some of the data in OP's report just to hit some arbitrary number over security and understanding of a defense product.
> The modern DoD is based around the Asst Sec Defs and business processes put in place by Robert McNamara
Robert McNamara, a Harvard Business School MBA, 'epitomizes the hyper-rational executive led astray by numbers' [1]
[1] https://www.technologyreview.com/s/514591/the-dictatorship-o...
Re: DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon Systems Vulnerabilities
#49You'll see things here that look odd, even antiquated to modern eyes. Phones with cords, awkward manual valves, computers that barely deserve the name. But all of it is intentional. It's all designed to operate in combat against an enemy who could infiltrate and disrupt all but the most basic computer systems. Of course, those attitudes have changed through the years and Galactica is something of a relic. A reminder…
Re: DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon Systems Vulnerabilities
#50The good stuff is in the PDF: https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/694913.pdf - Running a port scan caused the weapons system to fail - One admin password for a system was guessed in nine seconds - "Nearly all major acquisition programs that were operationally tested between 2012 and 2017 had mission-critical cyber vulnerabilities that adversaries could compromise." - Taking over systems was pretty much playing on easy mod…