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H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Why don’t they get an E2 visa which is designed for immigration for those with high skills and advanced degrees? An H visa is a temporary, non-immigrant visa and was never intended as a path to a green card. Frustration around long queues for green cards for H visas doesn’t make any sense because that is, by its very definition, a non-immigrant visa. Expecting permanent residency from a non-immigrant visa is no diffe…

E2 visas are limited to few, mostly European countries. The people referred to in the article are from India. Also, China is backlogged in the green card queue so it's useless for them too. I don't think E2 is an immigrant visa either, anyway E2 is an investor visa, rather than founders. >An H visa is a temporary, non-immigrant visa and was never intended as a path to a green card. Frustration around long queues for…

H1b is a dual intent visa. Which means a person coming to theUS on a H1b visa can apply for green card.

If you think it makes sense for a person born in India to wait for 150 years while paying taxes etc, and a person born in a different country waits for 7 months, we’ll, it’s clear what your POV is.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Why is this downvoted? Was anything in or untrue? H visas are temporary, non-immigrant visas. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employme...

It's downvoted because you, like your profile says, are "opinionated, inconsistent, irrelevant, irreverent and incontrovertible", and regardless of the number of times you are told that you are wrong and that H1Bs are dual-intent visas, keep parroting the same trash in every immigration related thread. Please quit proliferating nonsense untruths. And here, for future reference, because short of a citation of the law,…

Without getting in the history of the parent poster, he's not wrong. H1B is a temporary (non-immigrant) visa which allows dual intent. Yes, most people on dual intent visas eventually petition for a green card but I think it's unfair to qualify his post as "junk knowledge". Same thing with L-1A and O-1.

Source : https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-nonimm...

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Is it really true, however? Or my experience is an outlier? I have been issued a 10 year tourism/business visa to the USA. The interviewer asked me a couple questions and then said "Your visa is approved". She didn't ask for any paper work. No kidding. I got the interview booked, interview and the visa/passport in the same week. The process was flawless and the employees very friendly. I know a few others in my socia…

Your visa is essentially a visitor visa. You are not authorized to work in USA - you can visit for business while being paid by foreign entity. It is very different from H1B visa that is tied to a specific employer.

And on a tourist visa, you are not supposed to be looking for a job.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Yep, it doesn't go far enough - even if all countries did everything in the accord we wouldn't change anything. If this was a business setting, a proposal like this would be laughed out of existence. Somehow, when it is a Dem/progressive policy people still take it seriously.

Whether or not that's the case, conflating "is a fraud" and "doesn't go far enough" is intellectual dishonesty.

Not my words.

Did I induce cognitive dissonance in you?

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Green Card has a risk of deportation that citizenship does not. But the current administration is working to make citizenship revocable.

Gotta give some context or a source for a claim like that. Is the revocation related to people found guilty of terrorism/treason, or is it a lower bar? Or is it if they found you lied in order to get citizenship, as was the case historically with Nazis?

There's been some recent cases around not wanting to accept certificates of home births in southern texas from 20+ years ago.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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As horrible as it sounds, in this specific respect, the current US administration has been really fantastic for Canada. More and more new grads are choosing to stay in the country and work with local tech companies, and we're experiencing a reverse brain-drain like never before.

It has been great for European countries too.

Some of the smartest people I know, do not want to come to the US for higher education. Europe and Canada are quickly becoming the more desirable locations.

A few people that I know from FAANG tier companies have already started the Canada PR process.

I am surprised that the Canadian govt. isn't taking an initiative to try and incentivize more companies to start operations in Canada.

I can see companies saving a lot of money on wages, if they move to their offices to Canada.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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As someone who is contemplating this move, I can share some thoughts. First, money isn’t the force that’s driving immigrants out of India and into the US, Canada etc. Among the people I know and including myself, the top driving forces are safety, good governance, clean air and water. While living in the US has the benefit of higher pay, it comes at a significant cost. Here is a short list of things I can not do whil…

What the article failed to mention is that Trump and the Republican Congress have called for the US to change our immigration system to be more like Canada's. That is: focusing on skills and merit and limiting extended-family migration. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/trump-c... Right now the majority of legal immigration to the US is based on having family in the US. The US has a much more expan…

I've seen this, but I'm skeptical of the approach. I don't think there is a lot of political appetite in DC to help tech companies in general. Both parties would rather use tech companies as a industry to bash, rather than an industry to nurture and grow.

Look at the bi-partisan hate for Facebook and Google. Regardless of how you feel about the privacy issues there, it is clear that neither party is particularly friendly to the needs of Silicon Valley.

While the merit based immigration idea is nice, I think it will fail for the following reasons:

- Trump is not putting his political weight behind it. It was floated as an interesting policy proposal, but he didn't put his weight behind it like he did for say tax reform, ACA repeal, etc.

- As mentioned above, neither party is especially driven to help Silicon Valley

- While it may help Silicon Valley and tech companies, this change also really hurts people who count on family based immigration to bring their loved ones into the country. I don't think it would be politically popular to cut off family based immigration to help tech companies.

I think if Trump (or Obama etc.) wanted to help the situation, the simplest path forward is through executive action. Trump (or Obama etc.) can easily change the priorities and internal policies of INS to make it easier for tech workers to come to America, within the bounds of current law.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Isn't compensation, even after adjusting for cost of living and health insurance, much lower in Canada than anywhere in the U.S.?

People who have spent a few years at Google, Facebook, Apple, etc would have accumulated more than enough assets[1] that the drop in real compensation is an easy tradeoff to make for massively reduced stress in life. And a far easier citizenship process in Canada means they won't have to worry about their kids anymore. [1] https://danluu.com/startup-tradeoffs/

No because the cost of living is very high in Canada for it's major cities. Cities where there are jobs with decent-ish pay have high housing costs, the only exception being waterloo where houses are merely expensive. Also the cost of everything is about %20 higher. The weather is also relatively bad. Overall with the high pay in the USA, it's better to be a upper-middle class person in the USA than a upper-middle class person in Canada.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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I just moved out of US and in process of moving to Canada. Just for background: Worked in leadership roles for startups and Fortune 15 companies, sold a company, advise/invest in bunch of startups.

My life's goal is contribute to curing/diagnosing terminal disease using technology. Everything I did in the past 14 years has been towards meeting that goal. I figured, I would need knowledge, network, and financial stability. I moved to US in 2011 and over 14 years I achieved all of these. However, after moving to US I realized that I lost the most critical piece: ability to work on this goal without significant restrictions.

Visas like H1/O1 have lot of restrictions on what you can work. Recently it has become extremely difficult for early stage startups to get H1, especially if the applicant owns significant equity.

Once you get invested and comfortable in a place, you stay put. I worked really hard to break this ceiling. I tried for EB-1 Green Card twice and got rejected both times. You need 3 out of 10 criteria for Green Card. Over 2 petitions and an appeal - separate USCIS officials gave me 4 criteria. But none of them gave me 3, and their responses were very hostile.

I had to deal with H1/O1 petition every year while I pursued my entrepreneurship goals. However, I am finally done with this and can't do it anymore. I think I also have PTSD because of my experience dealing with immigration. I could not work to my potential, missed family events because I couldn't travel and stayed in limbo for too long.

However, finally I have moved out of US. I want to pursue my goal to attack terminal disease without any employment restrictions. At this point, Canada seems like the best place for this and that is where I am moving.

I am originally from India, and as mentioned in a few other posts, I do not want to live there because of quality of life challenges.

I will write more detailed posts sometime next year detailing my experience. However in summary my advise is:

If you are from India, come to US only if you internalize that you are in a temporary situation with a set goal: make more money/learn/build network. Don't get too invested, because you might need to leave at short notice. If you are an entrepreneur, you would be spending the best years of your life, without being able to perform to your potential due to immigration related bureaucracy. India, currently, has great opportunities for Entrepreneurs.

I was lucky to be able to found a company on H1, sell it and work at a few great companies. Still it wasn't enough to make it here.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Hmm. And let's see. One of the world's top research for AI is in Canada ...

Yep, Montreal is slowly becoming an AI hub.

Microsoft has already opened their AI research branch in Montreal. Google Brain is in Montreal too.

I can see it becoming a more popular spot as time goes on.

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