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H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

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Isn't compensation, even after adjusting for cost of living and health insurance, much lower in Canada than anywhere in the U.S.?

It's a lot lower in Canada, but simply the uncertainties of and anxieties caused by living in the US (for many of us) is unbearable.

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#72

Are people with GCs screwed too? I've been postponing getting a citizenship, for no particular reason, but I'm now wondering if I should get on that just so that I don't somehow get bounced out of the country or get locked outside when I travel.

Green Card has a risk of deportation that citizenship does not. But the current administration is working to make citizenship revocable.

They have a unit for stripping people's citizenship now.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

#74
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I suppose my comments from yesterdays thread about "Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere" is relevant: I did the math for Toronto(which is more expensive than Montreal, and about the same as Vancouver). For a typical software engineer, taxes take away 25% of gross pay in Ontario while it's over 30% in California and New York. Cost of living is much less(by 30-40% if you rent) in Toronto compared t…

Afaik taxes are rather more than in the US. If I enter the 110000 CAD into https://simpletax.ca/calculator I get a 30% tax rate. It will also get more at a higher income. Washington/US has less income tax overall, even with higher salaries. Overall if you earn 30-40% less, you might also have that much less after taxes. Regarding cost of living: I found the minor expenses (e.g. restaurants) to be quite a bit cheaper…

Seattle/Austin/Colorado are better than Canada in almost every aspect.

But, you could make an argument that with the higher tax rates, renting/house prices and living expenses of California and NYC, Canada could be a viable alternative, especially if you want to go freelance/part-time and need the healthcare, or are a non-US citizen.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any downsides to getting one, outside of perhaps having to let go of one's other citizenships for countries that don't allow it?

One downside of getting US citizenship is that if you later move to another country (your original country or a third country), you will obligated to continue to file US income tax returns, and potentially pay US income taxes. Depending on your circumstances, your tax filing might be trivial or it might be complicated, and you may or may not actually owe taxes to the US. So this might be a minor annual hassle, or it…

It also increases the reporting regulations for most international banks. So it's very possible that you'll be prevented from being able to bank in the country you move to.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

#76
Dunno. Salary in Silicon Valley - $300k. Salary in Vancouver - $80k. Rent almost the same. Weather in Silicon Valley - year-round sunny. Weather in Vancouver - 2 months of sun, rest gloomy. Are you sure you want to move to Canada?

It used to be that MS/AMZN had a back up base in Vancouver for anyone who didn't make the cut with H1B/O-1.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

#77

> As the administration of President Donald Trump has increased scrutiny of H-1B visas Has it? All that has been done is a study of potential H-1B reforms that is still under way. I'd bet that nothing changes in the next two years. The puppet masters wouldn't want it any other way.

There has been a massive increase in RFE's. Premium processing has mostly gone away, leading to massive delays. And renewals are being denied, even for people who have gone through the PERM process for a green card.

It is fair to call this increased scrutiny.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

#78
I wonder how much of this is just the political winds. Under the George Bush days there were similar sentiments and attitudes, but it never went anywhere and SV still remained dominant. Canada has long tried to capitalize on the US political situation with mixed results.

Salaries are low, most of Canada has poor weather and unaffordable housing prices in the major cities. I guess if you're willing to stick it out you get citizenship, but a far less valuable citizenship compared to other western countries.

I'm also curious as to if and when the immigration situation is going to hit Canadian politics as it did in the US. The facade of being pro immigration is exactly that, there are just as many racists in Canada as there are in the US.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm yeah hard winters or having your spouse deported. Hard choice.

I feel like the number of tech people who legitimately worry about their spouse being deported is extremely small. And it's only two years until the next election anyways.

I think that gives little reassurance.

Re: H-1B: As immigration furor roils Silicon Valley, Canada smooths way for techies

#80

While many in the comments are throwing salary/cost of living/taxes numbers left and right but no one is making a case for extreme winters in Canada vs the Bay Area. I can understand that it might not mean a lot to some but for me it can be a deal breaker.

Toronto is a few hours north of NYC and Vancouver a few hours north of Seattle, both don't differ in weather from their counterparts too much.
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