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Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by ndnxhs » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 6:30 AM UTC

EugeneOZ wrote: post #74

ndnxhs wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I have taken an apple device to a repair shop they have told me they can't get stock of the part or if I take it to an official repairer they charge more than it costs to buy a working second hand version of the device. The option to repair exists in theory but in reality it may as well not.

It's a lie. Re-sell price of iPhones is about 70-80% of the original price, and the most expensive repair (full replacement of the unit) costs 46% of the price.

This was a macbook that was about 4 years old and failed because of a known faulty ssd.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by krrrh » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 6:38 AM UTC

ndnxhs wrote: post #62

bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Apple doing this should bother you because they are destroying our planet for personal gain.

This is really misinformed. Apple has a VP position for environment which is staffed by former head of the EPA Lisa Jackson. At the last keynote event she got a prime time on stage to talk about Apple’s major initiative to make their devices last longer. IOS 12 is running on the 5S, which is a 6 year old phones, and not only that but a major focus for this version was to improve performance on older devices. I use a 5S for travel and as a test device and it is still perfectly usable, maybe more so than ever.

There is no other manufacturer of computer equipment that comes close to maintaining service and usability on older devices than Apple at this point, and this has been shown over and over again by the resale value that their older devices still command. Many Android phones, even Nexus and Pixel devices only received updates for 1.5-2 years after their last sell date.

You’ll find very few companies that focus as much on environmental impact, and Apple recycles any product they have ever manufactured at their own expense. See here: https://www.apple.com/ca/environment/

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by pitaj » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 6:38 AM UTC

devoply wrote: post #18

bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Sounds like we need more laws around manufacturing things to make them possible to repair and the prohibition of stopping 3rd party repair. Hell the EU should pass something along these lines. It's pretty much necessary at this point.

Eh, I'd rather have the option to choose than have the government force it down everyone's throats. Believe it or not, most people never repair their devices for the entire time the own them.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by michaelmrose » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 6:41 AM UTC

EugeneOZ wrote: post #74

ndnxhs wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I have taken an apple device to a repair shop they have told me they can't get stock of the part or if I take it to an official repairer they charge more than it costs to buy a working second hand version of the device. The option to repair exists in theory but in reality it may as well not.

It's a lie. Re-sell price of iPhones is about 70-80% of the original price, and the most expensive repair (full replacement of the unit) costs 46% of the price.

Consumer electronics steadily decline in price. Its a category error to define a curve as a point.

Example 3 years ago the Iphone 6S was released. The 64GB was priced initially at $750 US. You can now find them for 235.

This is aprox 1/3 the original price.

Since labor is a relatively stable price, replacement parts don't tend to get much cheaper, and the cost of a used model is constantly going down its not shocking that devices that aren't cheap to repair rapidly become trash.

You already see this on everything from cars to fridges.

You would do well not to assume bad faith and call people liars without good cause.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by EugeneOZ » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 6:53 AM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #84

EugeneOZ wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a lie. Re-sell price of iPhones is about 70-80% of the original price, and the most expensive repair (full replacement of the unit) costs 46% of the price.

Consumer electronics steadily decline in price. Its a category error to define a curve as a point. Example 3 years ago the Iphone 6S was released. The 64GB was priced initially at $750 US. You can now find them for 235. This is aprox 1/3 the original price. Since labor is a relatively stable price, replacement parts don't tend to get much cheaper, and the cost of a used model is constantly going down its not shocking…

Price of the new (not refurbished) iPhone 6s on Amazon.com is $299, so the most expensive repair (replacement) will be $137.

$235 is 78% of the price. As you can see, nothing of my words is a lie, so yes, try to do well and don't call me a liar.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by EugeneOZ » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 7:01 AM UTC

ndnxhs wrote: post #81

EugeneOZ wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a lie. Re-sell price of iPhones is about 70-80% of the original price, and the most expensive repair (full replacement of the unit) costs 46% of the price.

This was a macbook that was about 4 years old and failed because of a known faulty ssd.

I still don't believe you, because I have an experience of repairing MBP too. In my case it was damaged keyboard. They decided to replace entirely that half of the notebook. It was surprising approach and price was high, but still lower than price of the new MBP with the same CPU/RAM/SSD characteristics.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by laumars » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 7:17 AM UTC

EugeneOZ wrote: post #86

ndnxhs wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a macbook that was about 4 years old and failed because of a known faulty ssd.

I still don't believe you, because I have an experience of repairing MBP too. In my case it was damaged keyboard. They decided to replace entirely that half of the notebook. It was surprising approach and price was high, but still lower than price of the new MBP with the same CPU/RAM/SSD characteristics.

In fairness to the previous poster, replacing a keyboard should be cheaper than replacing an SSD (which is soldered into macs, requires a more expensive replacement part then needs an OS reinstall which a keyboard wouldn’t).

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by EugeneOZ » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 7:19 AM UTC

It's not a rent, it's purchase - I should be able to do whatever I want with the purchased item. It's absolutely not Apple's right to tell me what to do after they got the money.

Where's that "private property" rule, I thought it's kind of holy testament in the USA.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by castratikron » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 7:30 AM UTC

EugeneOZ wrote: post #88

It's not a rent, it's purchase - I should be able to do whatever I want with the purchased item. It's absolutely not Apple's right to tell me what to do after they got the money. Where's that "private property" rule, I thought it's kind of holy testament in the USA.

You mean "ownership is nine-tenths of the law"?

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by fghtr » Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 7:37 AM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #22

bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Well, if every manufacturer is doing it, there are probably good reasons for it. I doubt they've all gone mad at the same time.

Not every manufacturer is doing it. Purism does not.

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