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Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by xg15 »

Spivak wrote: post #3

I mean this seems very reasonable from Apple's perspective. They're trying to avoid their brand being tarnished by bad repair shops with questionable repair skills cutting corners with cheap and unsupported parts. Given how large the resale market is for Apple products I would even say that this is an extremely positive policy because as long as the machine boots you can be pretty darn sure your MacBook is just like…

> When the OS boots just make sure the user is made aware that they're running on unsupported hardware and recommend taking it to an authorized Apple repair shop if they want fix that.

You mean like Nexus phones or Surface tablets shout out to the world on the boot screen that their bootloader is unlocked when you had the audacity to install a different OS?

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by pertsix »

petedoyle wrote: post #7

Given Apple's strong stance on privacy and not making backdoors for encryption, etc-- could they possibly be trying to prevent supply chain interdictions from the likes of the NSA? [1] Or be trying to detect things like we saw this week? [2] [1] https://techcrunch.com/2014/05/18/the-nsa-cisco-and-the-issu... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h...

it's to prevent chop-shop theft.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by s3krit »

derefr wrote: post #5

I understood the “kill switch” to be a “warranty (i.e. AppleCare) void” switch more than a literal kill switch. You can, with enough work, make any computer—even one that’s not from Apple—into a working Mac. But there’s no amount of effort you can go to that will make Apple suddenly decide to offer warranty coverage on your Hackintosh. I imagine the point here would be to effectively treat computers cobbled together…

>but what other solution is there to this particular problem?

I don't know, letting the machine run despite having a voided warranty would be a good start.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by TaylorGood »

I dropped my iPhone X with a front and back cover yet glass still broke on both sides. It happens, but thanks to the rear glass being welded to frame and new front glass technology it costs $828 to replace. Repair shops are charging more than Apple store.

$279 for Front glass

$549 for Rear glass

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by detaro »

derefr wrote: post #5

I understood the “kill switch” to be a “warranty (i.e. AppleCare) void” switch more than a literal kill switch. You can, with enough work, make any computer—even one that’s not from Apple—into a working Mac. But there’s no amount of effort you can go to that will make Apple suddenly decide to offer warranty coverage on your Hackintosh. I imagine the point here would be to effectively treat computers cobbled together…

In which jurisdiction is this actually a thing that happens? I don't see how Apple's scope of liability is extended to parts they (or an authorized partner) haven't put into the machine. (and I'd suspect they'd generally not be responsible for parts moved to a different machine either, since the warranty to covers the device, not an extracted part)

And how would you a describe something that stops the system from being used not as a "literal killswitch"?!

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by saagarjha »

noitsnot wrote: post #4
bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

You're not familiar with the Surface Book or Surface Pro manufacturing then. Everything is glued in and there's not even screws in the bottom.

> What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example.

This is probably what they're talking about.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by marak830 »

noitsnot wrote: post #4
bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

You're not familiar with the Surface Book or Surface Pro manufacturing then. Everything is glued in and there's not even screws in the bottom.

And you're not reading his comment, where he said other manufacturers are following suit

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by devoply »

bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Sounds like we need more laws around manufacturing things to make them possible to repair and the prohibition of stopping 3rd party repair. Hell the EU should pass something along these lines. It's pretty much necessary at this point.

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Post by y10 »

bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Screen glue is necessary for waterproofing but I agree with what you’re saying.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by xxs »

petedoyle wrote: post #7

Given Apple's strong stance on privacy and not making backdoors for encryption, etc-- could they possibly be trying to prevent supply chain interdictions from the likes of the NSA? [1] Or be trying to detect things like we saw this week? [2] [1] https://techcrunch.com/2014/05/18/the-nsa-cisco-and-the-issu... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h...

Yes, because taking one of their repair kits would be naught impossible?

The technique has nothing to do with security.

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