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Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Sounds like we need more laws around manufacturing things to make them possible to repair and the prohibition of stopping 3rd party repair. Hell the EU should pass something along these lines. It's pretty much necessary at this point.

1. A federal right to repair law needs to be enacted.

2. Yes--most people coud care less about ease of reparability, but most people don't know what's best for them anyways?

3. If you buy something, you should have access to all repair manuals/schematics.

4. Any anti-repair shenanigans should be illegial, or only permitted in certain situations.

5. Right now a rich boy buys any wristwatch over $400. That eatch could be an Omega, Rolex, or any of the Swatch Group watches. (Omega is now part of Swatch)

They buy the Watch. They take it out of the leather case, with all the documentation. They put their wrist. Throughout the day, they look at that beautiful piece of machinery. It's a good feeling. You worked hard, and that hunk of metal on your wrist just feels right? No--most of you could crack open the case, and fix the watch when it starts to act up, but you should have the right. The right to order a Pallet fork, or a case screw?

When you can't repair something; do you really own the watch? When that Watch needs a watch, they can't call up the factory and even order an extra watch link. (I'm yacking about watches, and cars because that's what I work on.)

6. Don't get me started on new vechicles. I took my mom car shopping. She doesn't have much money. She's getting older, and still thinks she's upper middle class in terms of income. She's not. I have bought her last three vechicles, and maintained them. I went to automotive school after I had a nervous breakdown.

I'm getting a bit personal? Well I took her to the dealerships.

I asked the Salesman about procuring a Service Manual, if we buy a vechicle. He just said, even experienced mechanics can't work on these computers on wheels.

I knew this going in. I showed my mom the $260/hr. Service rate beaming from across the fancy waiting room.

I'll stop my rant. When a company makes it difficult to repair a product, doesn't that violate The Sherman Anti-Trust Act?

I do know a governmental agency looked into Swiss Watch companies demanding that all repairs are done at their pricy factory, but they didn't do anything. They said, it's basically a rich man's problem, and not important enough for further investigation.

I live in a wealthy area. These people don't even walk their dogs, or even think about doing any repair on their homes, appliances, or vechicles.

I was not brought up that way. I was taught to repair. Apple is blatantly trying to extract more money out of their fanboys. I used to be a Fanboy, but it was during Steve's tenure, and about up to about eight years ago.

I find it depressing. Then again my life has been a depressing failure?

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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I dropped my iPhone X with a front and back cover yet glass still broke on both sides. It happens, but thanks to the rear glass being welded to frame and new front glass technology it costs $828 to replace. Repair shops are charging more than Apple store. $279 for Front glass $549 for Rear glass

The good news is that the back glass price should change here in the next few weeks. I run independent repair shops (not affiliated with Apple) and literally today we did our first test on a new back glass removal tool we bought. We successfully removed the back glass on an iPhone 8 housing we purchased broken. These devices just hit the US a few days ago, so give it a few weeks and I would expect independent shops t…

The issue is Apple are not going to start use this 3rd party tool and drop their glass back repair price from $549 to $149. People will need to still take their phones to 3rd parties to get a reasonable price. This is why we need 3rd party repair options so badly

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Given Apple's strong stance on privacy and not making backdoors for encryption, etc-- could they possibly be trying to prevent supply chain interdictions from the likes of the NSA? [1] Or be trying to detect things like we saw this week? [2] [1] https://techcrunch.com/2014/05/18/the-nsa-cisco-and-the-issu... [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h...

I doubt that state actors would find it much of a hindrance; they could route targeted phones through Apple-approved repair organisations for modification.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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You go to a repair shop that has one, which is what the parent poster was referring to.

Every time I have taken an apple device to a repair shop they have told me they can't get stock of the part or if I take it to an official repairer they charge more than it costs to buy a working second hand version of the device. The option to repair exists in theory but in reality it may as well not.

It's a lie. Re-sell price of iPhones is about 70-80% of the original price, and the most expensive repair (full replacement of the unit) costs 46% of the price.

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Well, this isn’t exactly true. You can repair your own phones, you just need the right tools. China is well known for this. Repair shops that have the right tools (vacuum heating chambers, etc) are able to take apart and repair phones.

How many people are buying vacuume heating chambers to swap a battery vs throwing the phone in the bin and buying a new one.

You don't need to seriously.. the only thing you need is the right screw drivers (apple keeps changing them), battery glue strip to replace the glue after ripping it open and leak proof sealing rubber strip (you get from Aliexpress for 1$) for newer water proof models. Just watch YouTube videos

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No removable batteries, no expandable memory, no headphone jack and now the notch. All undeniable evidence on manufacturers copying(?) Apple's choices at least in phones. As a user, I strongly feel these are not in my best interests. And I realize I am not alone in this. Apple being the magnitude that it is now, cannot afford to make choices to attract folks like me with their 'reimagined' and 'breakthrough' innovati…

Why would I want a rectangular screen for something that goes in my pocket? The removable batter and headphone jack might be nice, but as I understand it part of the reason these kinds of things have been removed is to make waterproofing easier, which is something I'd rather have.

Sony had pretty much perfected the water proof phone with a headphone jack in their Z series, but for some reason decided to get rid of it with the latest revamp. This was also the first year since the release of the original Z where I didn't buy a Sony phone when I needed to upgrade.

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No removable batteries, no expandable memory, no headphone jack and now the notch. All undeniable evidence on manufacturers copying(?) Apple's choices at least in phones. As a user, I strongly feel these are not in my best interests. And I realize I am not alone in this. Apple being the magnitude that it is now, cannot afford to make choices to attract folks like me with their 'reimagined' and 'breakthrough' innovati…

> Can you imagine a phone with 3000 mAh removable battery If you are willing to make it a bit thicker than current phones...about 10% thicker than the original iPhone, you could use 5 NiMH AA batteries [1]. 3000 mAh is about what the iPhone XS Max has. If you can get by with around 1900 mAh (about what an iPhone 7 has) you could get that down to 3 AA batteries, or 7 AAAs. For people who are already using a lot of AA…

NiMH can't withstand the power draw (especially the spikes), and can't keep providing the same voltage as it discharges. You'd need extra circuitry to be able to run a smartphone off of them.

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I mean this seems very reasonable from Apple's perspective. They're trying to avoid their brand being tarnished by bad repair shops with questionable repair skills cutting corners with cheap and unsupported parts. Given how large the resale market is for Apple products I would even say that this is an extremely positive policy because as long as the machine boots you can be pretty darn sure your MacBook is just like…

Does the environmental aspect bother you at all?

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> no expandable memory I always buy the max storage iPhone, and every time I fill up maybe a third of it - after years of use. The vast majority of people really don't care about this.

It’s really easy to fill an iPhone up with photos and videos

iCloud Photo Library dramatically changed the equation on this for most users. I test the iOS betas on an old 5S 16 GB, and it’s remarkable how much easier it is to use now than when it was new. Apple Music Library is the other big factor here for a lot of people.
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