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Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by XorNot »

xxs wrote: post #21
devoply wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like we need more laws around manufacturing things to make them possible to repair and the prohibition of stopping 3rd party repair. Hell the EU should pass something along these lines. It's pretty much necessary at this point.

A simple scale of build quality and repairablity that must be glued on the box, similar to the energy class (at least in the EU) would be a good start.

A mandatory list of tools for full disassembly, sufficient that they can be sourced.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by ndnxhs »

bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Apple doing this should bother you because they are destroying our planet for personal gain.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by ndnxhs »

torgian wrote: post #42
bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Well, this isn’t exactly true. You can repair your own phones, you just need the right tools. China is well known for this. Repair shops that have the right tools (vacuum heating chambers, etc) are able to take apart and repair phones.

How many people are buying vacuume heating chambers to swap a battery vs throwing the phone in the bin and buying a new one.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by rangibaby »

brandonmenc wrote: post #53
sh87 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No removable batteries, no expandable memory, no headphone jack and now the notch. All undeniable evidence on manufacturers copying(?) Apple's choices at least in phones. As a user, I strongly feel these are not in my best interests. And I realize I am not alone in this. Apple being the magnitude that it is now, cannot afford to make choices to attract folks like me with their 'reimagined' and 'breakthrough' innovati…

> no expandable memory I always buy the max storage iPhone, and every time I fill up maybe a third of it - after years of use. The vast majority of people really don't care about this.

It’s really easy to fill an iPhone up with photos and videos

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by gfosco »

ndnxhs wrote: post #63
torgian wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, this isn’t exactly true. You can repair your own phones, you just need the right tools. China is well known for this. Repair shops that have the right tools (vacuum heating chambers, etc) are able to take apart and repair phones.

How many people are buying vacuume heating chambers to swap a battery vs throwing the phone in the bin and buying a new one.

You go to a repair shop that has one, which is what the parent poster was referring to.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by sh87 »

brandonmenc wrote: post #53
sh87 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No removable batteries, no expandable memory, no headphone jack and now the notch. All undeniable evidence on manufacturers copying(?) Apple's choices at least in phones. As a user, I strongly feel these are not in my best interests. And I realize I am not alone in this. Apple being the magnitude that it is now, cannot afford to make choices to attract folks like me with their 'reimagined' and 'breakthrough' innovati…

> no expandable memory I always buy the max storage iPhone, and every time I fill up maybe a third of it - after years of use. The vast majority of people really don't care about this.

So you've now paid for more storage than you need. Upfront. You can't swap it and if the phone dies, you've probably lost everything or it's going to cost you dear to get that data out.

Apple's solution is to go sync those gigs on Apple's cloud and keep paying a monthly fee for it.

No thanks.

I paid Apple for making choices for me and building products for my wants and needs. Now, its made for the 'vast majority'.

I know more people like me and I see a niche market emerging that I hope someone addresses.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by mrep »

Spivak wrote: post #3

I mean this seems very reasonable from Apple's perspective. They're trying to avoid their brand being tarnished by bad repair shops with questionable repair skills cutting corners with cheap and unsupported parts. Given how large the resale market is for Apple products I would even say that this is an extremely positive policy because as long as the machine boots you can be pretty darn sure your MacBook is just like…

> They're trying to avoid their brand being tarnished by bad repair shops with questionable repair skills cutting corners with cheap and unsupported parts.

Got any sources to back up that claim that secondary Apple computers are being plagued by "cheap unsupported parts" and thus effectively causing a market for lemons [0].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by tzs »

sh87 wrote: post #27
BurningFrog wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if every manufacturer is doing it, there are probably good reasons for it. I doubt they've all gone mad at the same time.

No removable batteries, no expandable memory, no headphone jack and now the notch. All undeniable evidence on manufacturers copying(?) Apple's choices at least in phones. As a user, I strongly feel these are not in my best interests. And I realize I am not alone in this. Apple being the magnitude that it is now, cannot afford to make choices to attract folks like me with their 'reimagined' and 'breakthrough' innovati…

> Can you imagine a phone with 3000 mAh removable battery

If you are willing to make it a bit thicker than current phones...about 10% thicker than the original iPhone, you could use 5 NiMH AA batteries [1].

3000 mAh is about what the iPhone XS Max has. If you can get by with around 1900 mAh (about what an iPhone 7 has) you could get that down to 3 AA batteries, or 7 AAAs.

For people who are already using a lot of AA and AAA rechargeable batteries, this gives them a phone that easily fits right in, and as a bonus in an emergency you can use non-rechargeable batteries that you can buy from any convenience store.

[1] 3000 mAh x 3.7 V = 11100 mWh. 11000 mWh / (2000 mAh x 1.1 V / NiMH AA) = 5 NiMH AA.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by ndnxhs »

gfosco wrote: post #65
ndnxhs wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people are buying vacuume heating chambers to swap a battery vs throwing the phone in the bin and buying a new one.

You go to a repair shop that has one, which is what the parent poster was referring to.

Every time I have taken an apple device to a repair shop they have told me they can't get stock of the part or if I take it to an official repairer they charge more than it costs to buy a working second hand version of the device.

The option to repair exists in theory but in reality it may as well not.

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