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Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by dpkonofa »

ryanianian wrote: post #131
dpkonofa wrote: post #117

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Hmm... I'm confused why I'm being voted down for this. Oh well.

Your comment doesn't add to the conversation. If your point is to call out just how disgraced MS has become (and how disgusted you are with it), you could give examples that show this kind of behavior is new and wouldn't have happened "when MS was mighty", or you could give further examples to show just how far they've fallen and use this story as further evidence of your point. All you've done is pipe in a trope wit…

It does, actually. Thanks for being so polite with the response and being informative. I've seen comments almost exactly like mine on here get voted up quite a bit so I didn't think anything of it. I do see your point, though. I'll try to avoid it in the future. Thanks again!

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by ryandrake »

skytreader wrote: post #184
sundvor wrote: post #157

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It never stops to amaze me how unwilling most people are to explore the latest Win10 options to always defer updates by number of days (eg stay a week behind on feature updates to let others be more on the cutting edge), or even temporarily freeze the windows update service by up to a two digit number of days. If I ever wanted to be sure that no updates took place I'd use the freeze. Switching OS might be a solution,…

I think the problem isn't just that Windows updates happen immediately by default. It's that Windows updates when you boot up your computer. See, turning on a computer is an explicit declaration that you want to use it. Windows updates ignores this declaration by taking that time to itself. It doesn't matter if I can defer the update by how many days if one day it will stop/delay me from using my computer when I want…

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think updates should happen when the user commands them to happen, not when the computer (or operating system vendor) decides when they should happen. If the user affirmatively commands the computer to update at a certain time, or on start-up or shutdown, fine. But why are we letting the operating system run the show?

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by SteveGerencser »

m-p-3 wrote: post #86
SteveGerencser wrote: post #60

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We have 4 windows 10 machines here and a metered satellite internet connection for internet service. Didn't really think about it much until they pushed an update to all 4 machines the week after our monthly meter tripped on our service. Next thing I knew I was on throttled internet for 3 weeks. Setting all the machines so that they don't update turned out to not be too hard, but was FAR harder than it needed to be.…

Isn't there an option to distribute updates to computers on the same network to reduce WAN data usage? Delivery Optimization: https://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how-to-stop-windows-10-from... And there's ways to set the Ethernet connection as metered if you search a little bit online.

I did set everything to metered. That's how I finally stopped the updates. My point though was that MS doesn't consider very many non-mainstream cases.

One study says nearly 7% of all internet users in the US use a satellite connection. These are slow, and almost always metered. That is a lot of people getting surprise hammering of their connection.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by ReverseCold »

chx wrote: post #196
capdeck wrote: post #43

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Why are you fighting the wind(ows)mills? Linux desktop is in it best shape since its inception. Mint (doesn't siphon), Ubuntu (siphons responsibly) or Manjaro (if you miss rolling updates, but for humans)... Why suffer needlessly?

There are two sides of this coin. I have abandoned my attempt of running Linux on my laptop after 17 years . (My Linux server usage goes back to 1993.) There are always problems. Bluetooth breaks often, the MFC device on upgrades, enterprise wifi is iffy (and now it's only enterprise wifi but up until very recently, it was 5GHz wifi) ... I am now on Windows 10 w/ Linux subsystem for Windows. The big upgrades are put…

I actually went the other way around from you.

Linux used to be terrible on laptops, but I recently bought a laptop, installed Linux (Fedora with KDE) on it, and everything just worked out of the box.

You're probabaly waiting for the "except..." - but there is no "except". Everything works the same or better. I get hours more battery life than windows after installing powerTOP, and about the same before doing that.

I ran Arch before I tried Fedora, and from that experience I found that the only way to get Enterprise WiFi is by using network-manager and nm-applet (both of which come with KDE on Fedora so I had no issues when I switched).

It's magical.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by ReverseCold »

iaml wrote: post #146
capdeck wrote: post #43

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Why are you fighting the wind(ows)mills? Linux desktop is in it best shape since its inception. Mint (doesn't siphon), Ubuntu (siphons responsibly) or Manjaro (if you miss rolling updates, but for humans)... Why suffer needlessly?

I wish blizzard would release overwatch for linux, so I can forget about running windows.

Isn't there a build of Wine made specifically for playing Overwatch? I tried it a while ago and it worked really well.

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Post by xfer »

lostmsu wrote: post #246
kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

You should blame your simulation software vendor (which could be yourself, lol). Windows gives software a way to tell, that computer is busy, and if your software did not do that, I am not sure how is this fault of Windows? Without that, computer might go to sleep, which would happen on any other OS too under default settings. See https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/api/winbase...

There is a setting for sleep timer, which people disable on desktops. It seems pretty ridiculous to suggest to call an api, to not randomly do things that the user didn't instruct.

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Post by norova »

didibus wrote: post #66
satya71 wrote: post #44

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There is, but it's worse. Especially since GNOME 3. I know you can use MATE or Cinnamon, but it's not the default on any of the major platforms.

KDE is really good right now. I'd highly recommend it. Something like KDE Neon or OpenSuse are both really solid OS experiences right now.

I made the switch from Windows 10 to Manjaro w/KDE about 2 months ago. Took about a week of ironing out some things and forcing myself to stick it out, but now I love it. I will also vouch for KDE being really good right now.

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Post by dvlsg »

mkl wrote: post #172
mandeepj wrote: post #156

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Humble tip - You can pause updates for up to 45 days. During this period, you can enable them at your leisure. This is what I do when I'm leaving my computer for an overnight rendering.

It's 35 days for me. There's also a nasty gotcha where I paused updates and then enabled them, and then it wouldn't let me pause again for some fairly long period. All that is needed to make the system usable is the ability to turn off all automatic restarts; tell me to do it, even nag after a while, just don't ever do it automatically.

It's the worst when the automatic restarts kick in again, but you're stuck behind an update that consistently fails at the same point. Super frustrating.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by tinus_hn »

tom_ wrote: post #186
mandeepj wrote: post #156

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Humble tip - You can pause updates for up to 45 days. During this period, you can enable them at your leisure. This is what I do when I'm leaving my computer for an overnight rendering.

My own humble tip - switch this shit off. Here's what I've found to work for me: 0. install whichever Windows 10 has the group policy editor - I've got Windows 10 Pro, I think. (I'm at home right now and my work laptop is at the office) 1. run gpedit.msc 2. Go to Local Computer Policy\Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update 3. Double-click Configure Automatic Updates 4. Set u…

The group policy editor is not available in the home versions.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by sbov »

ryandrake wrote: post #252
skytreader wrote: post #184

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I think the problem isn't just that Windows updates happen immediately by default. It's that Windows updates when you boot up your computer. See, turning on a computer is an explicit declaration that you want to use it. Windows updates ignores this declaration by taking that time to itself. It doesn't matter if I can defer the update by how many days if one day it will stop/delay me from using my computer when I want…

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think updates should happen when the user commands them to happen, not when the computer (or operating system vendor) decides when they should happen. If the user affirmatively commands the computer to update at a certain time, or on start-up or shutdown, fine. But why are we letting the operating system run the show?

Because most users would never set this and thus would never update.
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