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Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by beagle3 »

padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

The mental gymnastics here are required for the other side too, e.g. elections were last held in Gaza in 2006 or so; it's not remotely a democracy or republic, control is maintained by violence, see e.g. [0].

Every side of this conflict is a villain, and depending how far back you want to go, that may include the British, who created war and instability where they pulled out, in Palestine and in India/Pakistan (smart, but not very nice..)

I think the bottom line is, one may argue about how much of the responsibility lies with any participant, but it is undeniable that all have blame; and the article tries to discuss "coding in a conflict zone" rather than the conflict, and does it rather well IMHO.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip#Post-2006_elections...

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by gsich »

Krasnol wrote: post #41
skrebbel wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could see myself doing this a few years from now. Does a Gaza stamp in your passport limit someone's entry into other countries? (eg USA)

In Germany you can have a second pass just for that purpose. It costs more though.

Yeah, the cost of an additional passport.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by beagle3 »

badminton1 wrote: post #30
tariandbari wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes some real unique ability to look at Gaza's map and missing the fact that it has a very long border with ... Egypt. So even if Gaza is an "open air prison" there is more than one guard to it.

The border with Egypt is walled. The wall also extends underground to prevent smuggling. The Gaza strip cannot be accessed by air or sea either.

Indeed. And not by Israel[0] ; I think the reason Israel gets most of the criticism here is that Israel is a western, democratic party, but by no means is it the only one to blame in this story.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Egypt_border#Buff...

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by beagle3 »

badminton1 wrote: post #8

Note that the article quickly turns political, and often the follow up political discussion is not welcome here on HN. It will take a lot of restraint for those kids to stay in development.

It's actually the least political article on anything in Gaza that I've seen for a long time now. The previous almost-unpolitical one was also about Gaza Sky Geeks.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by saiya-jin »

okyougotmenow wrote: post #38
padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

Really jogs the noggin' as to why this particular country receives the preferential treatment it does on the international stage in spite of actions that would have any other country sanctioned or bombed to smithereens. I can't quite figure it out! It's also pretty interesting how this comment was able to draw out so many purely organic defensive comments, more quickly than even a thread critical of China would.

Look where it is - middle east. It is by far the most US-friendly country in whole region, even if something would go wrong with all muslim western-aligned governments, US can rest assured that Israel will remain an ally. They don't have that many other options I think.

When politics, power and money enter the game, in region so rich in oil (meaning trillions of $$), some humanitarian concerns are thrown quickly out of the window because 'priorities'.

I find it hilarious in the worst way possible - Israel, by definition jewish country (although not 100%), is running probably biggest concentration camp in the world these days. History doing some 5-dimensional circles and laughing on all of us. Palestinians are not helping much to improve their own situation, but after 60+ years behind the fence, who can blame them.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by dogma1138 »

okyougotmenow wrote: post #38
padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

Really jogs the noggin' as to why this particular country receives the preferential treatment it does on the international stage in spite of actions that would have any other country sanctioned or bombed to smithereens. I can't quite figure it out! It's also pretty interesting how this comment was able to draw out so many purely organic defensive comments, more quickly than even a thread critical of China would.

There is the other side of the coin, the conflict is and always was a relatively "meaningless" conflict as far as the scope goes from any point you look at including casualties however the level of attention it receives is also disproportionate just as much if not more as the so called preferential treatment you claim it has.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by okyougotmenow »

saiya-jin wrote: post #55
okyougotmenow wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really jogs the noggin' as to why this particular country receives the preferential treatment it does on the international stage in spite of actions that would have any other country sanctioned or bombed to smithereens. I can't quite figure it out! It's also pretty interesting how this comment was able to draw out so many purely organic defensive comments, more quickly than even a thread critical of China would.

Look where it is - middle east. It is by far the most US-friendly country in whole region, even if something would go wrong with all muslim western-aligned governments, US can rest assured that Israel will remain an ally. They don't have that many other options I think. When politics, power and money enter the game, in region so rich in oil (meaning trillions of $$), some humanitarian concerns are thrown quickly out…

Is Israel an American ally or is America an Israeli ally? Hard to say when a significant proportion of congress has dual Israeli citizenship. What exactly do we gain from fighting endless wars in the middle east? Israel seems to benefit much more from the destabilization and destruction of their neighbors than we do. Even Wikipedia does not shy away from detailing the Yinon Plan.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by shmerl »

padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

And Hamas turned it into fascist state for its own population. I suppose opponents of blockade prefer a fascist state with access to weapons import.
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