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It is not a deservice. Its indicative of how poorly we view our own profession that everyone with other skills must be more than engineer, merely by applying them. A lawyer who becomes mayor is still a lawyer. A doctor who runs a phamacology company is still a doctor. And yes, and engineer who founds a company still retains the core skills and prestige of their hardwon profession. Or at least, I think they should.
Hardwon profession: Three weeks in a boot camp followed by two years on the bloody frontlines of the Framework Wars...
Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology
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Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, I am pretty good friends with a civil engineer that did something almost exactly like this for a friend of his. He did this in his spare time and having no prior experience with the niche industry and law his friend's company operated in (botanical health supplements). The people from the federal government involved in the complaint did not believe he wasn't a specialized lawyer with a team of assistants. D…
if a dedicated civil engineer can pick up some law books and make it seem he was some high powered lawyer team, can a dedicated lawyer pick up some engineering books and build a bridge that can survive SF's 'Big One'?
Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology
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This is a good answer to the question "why did Waymo have a patent that could be invalidated by one guy with $6000?" But it's a terrible answer to the question "if one guy with $6000 could get this patent invalidated, why couldn't Uber?"
Probably because none of the lawyers on Uber's side had the credentials to stop and ask themselves "hey, is this even patentable?!" Nobody consulted any engineer. Just lawyers fighting each other, and the side with the biggest pockets won.
For a case like this, it would have been malpractice for Uber's lawyers not to have consulted a subject matter expert to review the patent. It's very likely that Uber will (if they have not already) be demanding reparations from their lawyers over this.
Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology
#154I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…
Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
USPTO processed >600K patent applications in 2015 [1]. I assume more recent years are similar. Looking over their fee schedule they probably bring in around ~$1-2K per patent application. I'll be generous at $2K. So they have ~3.5B + 1.2B in revenue. This allocates on avg So an examiner has on avg ~25 hours to evaluate a possibly lengthy, complex, specialized document that often took a team many months to prepare. Th…
Wouldn't $150K/year in total compensation be $75/hour - thus changing it to ~ 100 hours to review the document? I think you still make a valid point. The deluge of patent applications and the relatively specialized knowledge base of certain patents makes it a challenge. If anything $150,000/examiner seems a bit low if we are trying to tie in building overhead, administration, and benefits to a per person figure.
Oops - correct :)
Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
USPTO processed >600K patent applications in 2015 [1]. I assume more recent years are similar. Looking over their fee schedule they probably bring in around ~$1-2K per patent application. I'll be generous at $2K. So they have ~3.5B + 1.2B in revenue. This allocates on avg So an examiner has on avg ~25 hours to evaluate a possibly lengthy, complex, specialized document that often took a team many months to prepare. Th…
> The limiting factor is money. When isn't it? Parent was suggesting the US is underfunding the USPTO. The undisputed claim is that they got all the money they requested. If they need more money, then they should request more. My line of reasoning can be falsified by showing the USPTO didn't get all the money they requested, or that through some bureaucratic machinations submitted an insufficient budget under duress.…
When it's time. Or skilled people. At some point there are not enough LeBron James' at any price to fill out the size roster one wants. At some point there is no physical way to spend X hours on a thing for X large enough and enough things.
So showing that money is putting a definite upper limit on a thing shows one constraint is money. It's entirely possible there are not enough people on the planet to both invent novel things and validate those inventions as novel, for certain classes of things. So I suspect in patenting, there is also a shortage of experts capable of validating a thing. I know for some patents I've been involved with, at some point in the process there was likely not another person on the planet that would understand what we/I did because sometimes the edge of knowledge is completely esoteric and the domain of one person.
Heck, there's very important math proofs right now that have gone unvetted for a decade despite all the world's experts working on it, having entire conferences and workshops dedicated to it, and they still cannot come to a conclusion about the work. I suspect such things happen in other fields as well, including patented things.
So, in a situation like that, time and/or people is the limiting factor.
>If they need more money, then they should request more.
What they view as their need to accomplish what they want to do need not be what others want them to do. They also might make the request knowing more about how their budgetary process works than outsiders.
Overall I'm fine with the system as it is, taking into account the difficulty and increased costs it would entail to make it significantly "better."