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China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by paradite »

King-Aaron wrote: post #16
paradite wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about stopping the baseless accusations thrown at China? http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-04-13/do... http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/2018-08-31/doc-ihinpmn... http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-06-15/do... http://bond.jrj.com.cn/2018/09/30133825154607.shtml http://bond.hexun.com/2018-08-01/193639187.html Edit: Looks like I'm being flagged for pointing out the false accus…

> How about stopping the baseless accusations thrown at China? Apologies, but all the links you posted are in chinese, and google translate just turns them into mostly garbage so Im struggling with the context of your comment. But I'm not sure what this issue here is, the user above you pointed out "the kind of information being censored" as an example of what's being discussed in the parent article, and that seems u…

The example is inaccurate, or rather false and misleading.

Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by danmaz74 »

glandium wrote: post #8

I'm not particularly convinced this is much worse than what happens in the west, where people get their news from biased sources, be they Fox News, CNN, or Facebook. Sure, there's the theoretical difference, censorship is bad, etc., but practically speaking, the result does not feel that different...

The ENORMOUS difference is that, in China, you only have sources with one bias - the one the government wants.

In the West, for all our defects, you can get all the points of view you want.

Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by GuB-42 »

glandium wrote: post #8

I'm not particularly convinced this is much worse than what happens in the west, where people get their news from biased sources, be they Fox News, CNN, or Facebook. Sure, there's the theoretical difference, censorship is bad, etc., but practically speaking, the result does not feel that different...

So basically, the west is a brave new world, China is 1984.

Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by King-Aaron »

paradite wrote: post #21
King-Aaron wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How about stopping the baseless accusations thrown at China? Apologies, but all the links you posted are in chinese, and google translate just turns them into mostly garbage so Im struggling with the context of your comment. But I'm not sure what this issue here is, the user above you pointed out "the kind of information being censored" as an example of what's being discussed in the parent article, and that seems u…

The example is inaccurate, or rather false and misleading.

Welllllll I don't really think that was the point of the comment, rather it was showing an example of what content has been blocked.

Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by 07d046 »

glandium wrote: post #8

I'm not particularly convinced this is much worse than what happens in the west, where people get their news from biased sources, be they Fox News, CNN, or Facebook. Sure, there's the theoretical difference, censorship is bad, etc., but practically speaking, the result does not feel that different...

I'm not sure you understand how much is unknown about China: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/21/nobody-knows-anything-a...

And don't forget that this lack of knowledge about the true state surely contributed to the famines that killed tens of millions of Chinese during the Great Leap Forward. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by paradite »

King-Aaron wrote: post #24
paradite wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The example is inaccurate, or rather false and misleading.

Welllllll I don't really think that was the point of the comment, rather it was showing an example of what content has been blocked.

I'm not sure where the misunderstanding is.

The article is about censoring economic news.

The top comment suggests an example of economic news that is censored.

Anyone reading the comments would assume that the example news is indeed censored.

However, that was not the case, as shown in the links I provided. (If they were censored, the pages would have been taken down retrospectively)

I'm pointing out that example is a false accusation of the content being censored.

Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by mads »

paradite wrote: post #26
King-Aaron wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welllllll I don't really think that was the point of the comment, rather it was showing an example of what content has been blocked.

I'm not sure where the misunderstanding is. The article is about censoring economic news. The top comment suggests an example of economic news that is censored. Anyone reading the comments would assume that the example news is indeed censored. However, that was not the case, as shown in the links I provided. (If they were censored, the pages would have been taken down retrospectively) I'm pointing out that example is…

What were the links posted? They were flagged and removed.

Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by repolfx »

paradite wrote: post #13
alecco wrote: post #4

The kind of "bad economic news" censored: TABLE-China bond defaults rise over 56 pct from 2017 at $8.74 bln https://www.reuters.com/article/china-economy-defaults/table...

How about stopping the baseless accusations thrown at China? http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-04-13/do... http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/2018-08-31/doc-ihinpmn... http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-06-15/do... http://bond.jrj.com.cn/2018/09/30133825154607.shtml http://bond.hexun.com/2018-08-01/193639187.html Edit: Looks like I'm being flagged for pointing out the false accus…

I vouched for your post because as far as I can tell, it's written in good faith and is not in violation of any HN guidelines. I'm not sure why your post got so rapidly killed - the posts you link to are clearly discussing bond defaults, so I'll take your word for it that they're discussing the same problem as the Reuter's article. And that would indeed seem to be prima facie evidence that this particular story is not being censored.

Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by paradite »

mads wrote: post #27
paradite wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure where the misunderstanding is. The article is about censoring economic news. The top comment suggests an example of economic news that is censored. Anyone reading the comments would assume that the example news is indeed censored. However, that was not the case, as shown in the links I provided. (If they were censored, the pages would have been taken down retrospectively) I'm pointing out that example is…

What were the links posted? They were flagged and removed.

Just some links to articles in Chinese websites that talks about defaults recently:

http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-04-13/do...

http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/2018-08-31/doc-ihinpmn...

http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-06-15/do...

http://bond.jrj.com.cn/2018/09/30133825154607.shtml

http://bond.hexun.com/2018-08-01/193639187.html

Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth

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Post by lolc »

The interesting thing for me here is a problem with all censorship: Those doing the censoring need to understand the issue to work effectively. So the censorship bulletins need to provide enough information that they become a source of truth. It gives investors an incentive to read them, because they are a factor in where the market moves.
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