I wouldn't be surprised to read this kind of news about some of the Eastern Europe countries in the future.
I originally downvoted you, but now I think I see where you were going with this.
It is possible in at least one instance.
China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth
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Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth
#12I'm not particularly convinced this is much worse than what happens in the west, where people get their news from biased sources, be they Fox News, CNN, or Facebook. Sure, there's the theoretical difference, censorship is bad, etc., but practically speaking, the result does not feel that different...
In China you’re talking about those in power actively hiding important public information from those without power. If you are one of the ‘without’, then there’s very little you can do to challenge official viewpoints.
A Facebook bubble can be similarly truth-distorting, but your bubble is ultimately a reflection of your individual choices, and it barely takes a couple of clicks before you can find conflicting information or alternate opinions.
Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth
#13The kind of "bad economic news" censored: TABLE-China bond defaults rise over 56 pct from 2017 at $8.74 bln https://www.reuters.com/article/china-economy-defaults/table...
How about stopping the baseless accusations thrown at China?
http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-04-13/do...
http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/2018-08-31/doc-ihinpmn...
http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-06-15/do...
http://bond.jrj.com.cn/2018/09/30133825154607.shtml
http://bond.hexun.com/2018-08-01/193639187.html
Edit: Looks like I'm being flagged for pointing out the false accusations? Slowly losing my faith in HN.
Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth
#14I'm not particularly convinced this is much worse than what happens in the west, where people get their news from biased sources, be they Fox News, CNN, or Facebook. Sure, there's the theoretical difference, censorship is bad, etc., but practically speaking, the result does not feel that different...
It is much worse, given that in the west biased reporting and cover ups can be publicly denounced, whether by other biased sources at the other end of the spectrum or in social media, whereas in China it is not allowed to disclose by any means that bad economic news is being suppressed.
I feel the strategy is just different.
In our culture there is no need to suppress the bad news, it can just be drowned down in a flurry of stupid news, contradictory statements and "why do you hate freedom" kind of finger pointing.
If random people speaking freely has close to no effect on the leading class, there is not much need to suppress free speech.
Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth
#15I'm not particularly convinced this is much worse than what happens in the west, where people get their news from biased sources, be they Fox News, CNN, or Facebook. Sure, there's the theoretical difference, censorship is bad, etc., but practically speaking, the result does not feel that different...
Theoretical differences? People don't regularly go missing in the west for reeducation.
There is a difference between a biased news source and flat-out censorship. Equating us to China is disingenuous and loopy.
Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth
#16The kind of "bad economic news" censored: TABLE-China bond defaults rise over 56 pct from 2017 at $8.74 bln https://www.reuters.com/article/china-economy-defaults/table...
How about stopping the baseless accusations thrown at China? http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-04-13/do... http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/2018-08-31/doc-ihinpmn... http://finance.sina.com.cn/money/bond/research/2018-06-15/do... http://bond.jrj.com.cn/2018/09/30133825154607.shtml http://bond.hexun.com/2018-08-01/193639187.html Edit: Looks like I'm being flagged for pointing out the false accus…
> How about stopping the baseless accusations thrown at China?
Apologies, but all the links you posted are in chinese, and google translate just turns them into mostly garbage so Im struggling with the context of your comment.
But I'm not sure what this issue here is, the user above you pointed out "the kind of information being censored" as an example of what's being discussed in the parent article, and that seems unrelated to the argument "Stop throwing baseless accusations about X".
Is the problem with the accusation that China is censoring economic information, or is it that the default rate as used in this example is inaccurate?
Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth
#17Trump does exactly the same. What's the difference.
Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth
#18Trump does exactly the same. What's the difference.
Trump doesn't control the media.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is much worse, given that in the west biased reporting and cover ups can be publicly denounced, whether by other biased sources at the other end of the spectrum or in social media, whereas in China it is not allowed to disclose by any means that bad economic news is being suppressed.
I feel the strategy is just different. In our culture there is no need to suppress the bad news, it can just be drowned down in a flurry of stupid news, contradictory statements and "why do you hate freedom" kind of finger pointing. If random people speaking freely has close to no effect on the leading class, there is not much need to suppress free speech.
Sure, in the west there are constant attempts at gaming the system, and propaganda is as rife as in authoritarian regimes, and this often results in the masses (us) being misinformed. However, I still don't think it's the same as direct censorship, where it's pretty much game over, nor as damaging.
I mean, do you really believe that it's irrelevant that the conversation we are having now, without any fears, I assume, would be extremely risky in China?
Re: China Censors Bad Economic News Amid Signs of Slower Growth
#20Trump does exactly the same. What's the difference.
I guarantee that Trump has zero influence on how the NYT reports on the economy.