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New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Wouldn't it be possible to conveniently hide your usual filesystem from the border officers by using the new APFS shared-filesystems-in-single-container feature, without having to pre-allocate and waste space for an additional hidden data partition? Just install macOS like you normally do, set it up with a user and some basic data. Then create a new partition in the same container and install what you normally use (o…

It's probably obstruction of Justice.

You’re not required to do their job for them, so just entering the password when they ask you to and don’t mention that there are multiple partitions in there and you’re good to go. If they look carefully and notice the other partition (which you’re not even hiding) you’re back to the original problem of course.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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People who have nothing to hide still shut their bathroom door. And besides, laws change. I have nothing to hide today; who knows in three months?

This is exactly right. The Jews in Germany probably thought they had nothing to hide before the Nazis came to power.

As someone who grew up in a "nothing to to hide - nothing to fear" environment this is what I realized as I grew older as well.

Another more recent example: I guess those who opposed Erdogan a few years ago aren't too comfortable now.

Short summary: even if you have reason to trust the police department to not abuse your data (I like the local police around here), do you also:

- trust everyone of them not to snoop around?

- trust every contractor and sysadmin now and in the future?

- In a time where giant data leaks occurs multiple times a year, do you trust authorities to always be patched and vigilant?

- all this is before we start talking about 3 letter agency stuff, neighboring nations that have a bad habit of invading others etc.

Edit: fixed a number of spelling mistakes etc.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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When I arrive at the airport I use my phone for maps, my travel info, my contacts, my reservations, busses, trains, taxis, uber, messages with people I'm coordinating with, my travel notes, etc... Or are you suggesting I should camp out in the airport for a few hours to restore my phone before I can figure out where I'm going and get ahold of my contacts? Oh let me guess. Your solution so to print those contacts and…

Maybe I’m just too old or unimaginative, but none of these objections seem like serious showstoppers to me. This is straying far from the original topic but now I’m curious: How would you survive if you were to accidentally lose your phone while traveling, or if it got stolen? One can (and should) be capable of being a functioning adult without a cell phone.

Why is this about survival? My commute to work is 20 miles. I drive because it's convenient, quick, and practical. I would survive without a car. I could walk for 6+ hours, work for 8 hours (snacking while I work), and then walk another 6+ hours back home. Or I could pitch a tent in my office parking lot and just live out of it during the week. It would be shitty survival, but doable, right?

It's absolutely possible traveling without a smartphone. I've done it plenty of times before smartphones became a thing. But smartphones make it so much easier.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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> Also it seems most tools need a rooted phone A minor inconvenience given the legal risks. If you don't want to deal with that just get yourself cheap used gear dedicated to travel purposes.

You still haven't named a single tool or process.

A simple search on Google will yield plenty of results, if you are not willing to do that or even explain which solution you tried yourself and what failed, I'm not going to waste my time recommending an alternative solution to your problem either. In fact I just provided you with another solution which you didn't bother acknowledging.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Even just having investments in Cannabis stocks can cause a lifetime ban https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/why-investing-in-pot-could-pos... >Even though Znaimer didn’t admit to personally using pot, he was given a lifetime ban anyway because of his investments in U.S. marijuana companies, he said. >In one case, Saunders said an Edmonton man received a lifetime ban from entering the U.S. simply because he was a part-owne…

The rationale in the US law is that the crime is an equal moral failing to murder. That may be irrational to you and I, but that is the law. Just as being an accessory to murder would be considered "very bad" so too would supporting cannabis use in any way. According to US law he is investing in a criminal enterprise, similar to funding a cartel in Mexico. The law doesn't match the common person's perception of sever…

By that logic, if you owned property that was rented by a murderer, you should be banned as an accessory to murder. It's absurd.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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There’s a border patrol show on Netflix and they show a few phones being searched. It’s pretty clear it’s not about terrorists and bad people having bad files in the cloud. It’s about people coming on a tourists visa and working. They’d find all sorts of emails talking a out a job. I don’t think that’s a valid excuse to search devices though. If anything I think it proves work visas need to be more accessible so peop…

> There’s a border patrol show on Netflix and they show a few phones being searched. It’s pretty clear it’s not about terrorists and bad people having bad files in the cloud. It’s about people coming on a tourists visa and working. They’d find all sorts of emails talking a out a job. Yes, those are non-citizens requesting entry. This sounds like it applies to everyone - including NZ citizens. And regardless, searches…

Why not apply that logic to digital devices?

They did, at least according to the article. But it's a low hurdle, and cops quickly figure out the script to bypass restrictions like that.

It's no different than the mishandling of trained drug sniffing dogs so that they alert at the handler's command, rather than at drugs/bombs/money/whatever. Countless cars are stripped at border crossing and the side of the road because a cop didn't like someone's attitude.

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I wonder sometimes if policies like these are monumental cases of the XY Problem in action.

For example, the government/border agency decides that travellers must give up their phones and account passwords. In fact, other governments/agencies see this as leading by example and tag along for the ride.

The justification we hear is 'national security' and, since the first thing we were aware of was the solution itself, we treat it as viable without much scrutiny and proceed to fill in the blanks about what 'national security' means to us: is it terrorism? drug trafficking? illegal immigration? some other hot button topic?

It begs the question and the frustrating thing is; we know the real answer: governments just love authority and surveillance. Yet still, how about some other questions...

What is a better solution to preventing terrorists from hijacking your plane? It would make sense to address the circumstances that actively encourage terrorism, no? That's foreign policy.

Drugs crossing the border? How about checking for the physical presence of them as opposed to forcing people to incriminate themselves for recreational drug usage?

Illegal immigration? That means a lot of things to a lot of people and, if my experience in Canada is anywhere near representative, it might actually be more successful if it wasn't so strict.

In no case does getting unrestricted access to your social media accounts, your collection of nude selfies, entire history of messages going back years, etc. actually aim to tackle the real problems. All the reasoning does is save the government the job of justifying its pathological obsession with your private life.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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You can't blow a hole in an aeroplane's fuselage with somebody's mobile browser history.

Customs is way too late to be worrying about blowing a hole in an aeroplane, given you've already made it to the border by that point.

Good point but obviously the technology would still be a problem earlier in the process, and it would still be an equally bad analogy at that stage.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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How does this work for employer-provided devices? I'd be violating my employment contract and could be fired for providing customs with my password.

Anecdotal, but most employers I've seen have a clause in the handbook about not taking their devices with you during international travel.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rationale in the US law is that the crime is an equal moral failing to murder. That may be irrational to you and I, but that is the law. Just as being an accessory to murder would be considered "very bad" so too would supporting cannabis use in any way. According to US law he is investing in a criminal enterprise, similar to funding a cartel in Mexico. The law doesn't match the common person's perception of sever…

By that logic, if you owned property that was rented by a murderer, you should be banned as an accessory to murder. It's absurd.

Its more like leasing a room knowing it was Dexters kill room. That said I'll go no further justifying US pot laws. But the failure is in the severity assigned to the "crime", everything that follows is rational if you accept the premise that it truly is akin to murder.
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