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New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by djsumdog »

ravenstine wrote: post #64

I have been thinking of going back to live in NZ to be a software engineer there, but now... uh, no . Such a shame, as it's a really nice country with very smart people. Granted, it's been very "totalitarian" when it comes to immigration for a long time. Not that I don't think they have the right to do this, but when I went to live there with my kiwi girlfriend, I had to give them actual copies of letters she and I s…

I've thought about getting another visa too. I thought the x-ray and blood tests were pretty normal, until I talked to a friend with a German work visa, and she didn't have any type of medical exam to get her permit.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by gruez »

crazygringo wrote: post #34
rectang wrote: post #8

Is there a SaaS provider specializing in storing encrypted images of phones? The idea being that before you travel, you upload the encrypted image and wipe the phone, then after passing through customs you restore.

I don't think you need a special provider... at least on an iPhone, it only takes a few taps to wipe it, and then when you restart it, it immediately gives you the option of logging in with your Apple ID and restoring from your last backup (which is automatically made nightly, and reportedly encrypted).

a few months later:

>New Zealand travellers refusing to give up icloud/google passwords now face $5000 Customs fine

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by udfalkso »

jackhack wrote: post #4

It's troubling to watch one of the most amazing places on earth transform itself into a totalitarian purgatory. Access to physical phone/laptop is only the first step -- mark my words. Big Brother's bureaucrats are never satiated. Next, we will have demands for passwords and unrestricted access to : email, facebook, photo sharing, hacker news posts, social media, etc. I see sudden spike in the market for burner phone…

https://i.imgur.com/gnejoIm.jpg

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by debacle »

vorpalhex wrote: post #177
davezatch wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil’s advocate: what _is_ wrong with that logic? If we accept that customs can search our persons or luggage as a condition of our entering a given country, what is it about digital materials that makes them off limits?

My suitcase doesn't contain: + Communications with my lawyer + My private health information + My detailed financial information + My communications with significant others which may be of various degrees of sfw + My work files, including proprietary or secret information Any of those things would absolutely require a warrant, and may even require a specialized warrant in some cases (communications with my lawyer, he…

This is a nuanced topic (border security), and while I think there's slippery slopes (and their associated fallacies) in both directions, it is true to say that you are very free to share none of those things with border security, and border security is very free to not admit you to the country.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by joncp »

ryandrake wrote: post #16
jackhack wrote: post #4

It's troubling to watch one of the most amazing places on earth transform itself into a totalitarian purgatory. Access to physical phone/laptop is only the first step -- mark my words. Big Brother's bureaucrats are never satiated. Next, we will have demands for passwords and unrestricted access to : email, facebook, photo sharing, hacker news posts, social media, etc. I see sudden spike in the market for burner phone…

Factory reset and wipe your device before travel, and restore when you get to your hotel. I’m a privacy nut and while this is a disturbing trend there exist straightforward work arounds. EDIT: I do this all the time and it’s not even remotely difficult or a big deal.

As long as you don't let them plug it into anything and it doesn't leave your sight, that should be fine. As soon as it leaves your sight or they plug in a hack-yo-phone box, you might as well throw the phone away. Who knows what zero-days they can stash on there.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by djsumdog »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #5

> We're not going into 'the cloud'. We'll examine your phone while it's on flight mode This law isn't too bad as far as a compromise bill goes. The problem is a lack of accountability. Three fixes and I'd be okay with it: 1) Officials must document their reasons for finding a "reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing"; 2) Travellers should be able to challenge the search in a court proceeding to occur no later than close o…

It's a huge security concern. You should give your passwords to no one: zero/no people. I wouldn't do it just out of personal security. It's not a matter of just changing it either. Your can't put a device password in a password manager,, so that's going to usually be one of your highly secure passwords. It shouldn't be used many places, but you still need to change it everywhere afterwards.

Just from a basic security perspective, this is teaching citizens it's okay to give your password out to authorities, and that's just fucking terrible.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by komali2 »

ryandrake wrote: post #16
jackhack wrote: post #4

It's troubling to watch one of the most amazing places on earth transform itself into a totalitarian purgatory. Access to physical phone/laptop is only the first step -- mark my words. Big Brother's bureaucrats are never satiated. Next, we will have demands for passwords and unrestricted access to : email, facebook, photo sharing, hacker news posts, social media, etc. I see sudden spike in the market for burner phone…

Factory reset and wipe your device before travel, and restore when you get to your hotel. I’m a privacy nut and while this is a disturbing trend there exist straightforward work arounds. EDIT: I do this all the time and it’s not even remotely difficult or a big deal.

Yea, if I was a terrorist, that's exactly what I'd do. That's extraordinarily inconvenient for me as a regular tourist.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by debacle »

WaylonKenning wrote: post #138
ravenstine wrote: post #64

I have been thinking of going back to live in NZ to be a software engineer there, but now... uh, no . Such a shame, as it's a really nice country with very smart people. Granted, it's been very "totalitarian" when it comes to immigration for a long time. Not that I don't think they have the right to do this, but when I went to live there with my kiwi girlfriend, I had to give them actual copies of letters she and I s…

As a New Zealander, I'd say we're unashamed in trying to balance the welfare of our citizens with growth opportunities from new immigrants. If you're likely to be a drain on the public healthcare system, then you're not likely to get permission to live here. Why? It's not fair to those people who have already paid into the system, to subsidise someone who hasn't. And we are picky. There's no visa lottery here. A poin…

You are picky because NZ is likely the trendiest place to immigrate to in the last 30-40 years. It would be silly + unfair to current NZ citizens if you guys weren't picky.
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