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New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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This is an important issue cryptographers and security minded people often overlook: the strongest cryptography is irrelevant if it opens you to such social harassment. What we need is practical cryptography. I have found practical success by booting from an encrypted Linux partition that has absolutely nothing relevant on it, with a weak password I can always enter when requested by big guys with guns. Unbeknown to…

> It's impossible for any court forensic team, let alone an airport goon, to prove there is actually another partition inside the outer encrypted partition, unless you mount common volumes and cross-contaminate. An important caveat is to properly defragment the outer partition and fiddle with the offset and the size of the inner partition to avoid any conflicts, then avoid writing in the outer partition.

Customs staff typically don't know to prove there is, they just need reasonable suspicion to seize goods for further investigation. The fact you've booted into a 50GB partition on a 500GB disk may well be considered reasonable suspicion to seize the goods for the sake of further investigation.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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How does this work for employer-provided devices? I'd be violating my employment contract and could be fired for providing customs with my password.

I worked in a role that had rather strict rules about our devices and data. We were given a different phone and laptop to take when traveling, and VPN'd back to the office once there to access our files. The devices were just entry level Blackberry/iPhones and Thinkpads (this was a decade or so ago) with nothing on them except a local copy of the corporate contact list. No email accounts set up, no calendar set up, etc. We were to VPN in for all that stuff when not local (tether laptop to phone if not on wifi and needed email).

If we were questioned at all about it (I never was, but others were), we were told to give them a business card from our direct Manager, and contact them with any questions. I have no idea what the Managers were trained to say or how they dealt with it as I was pretty low in the totem pole, but I assume there's standard practices out there for this.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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How do you do this with an Android device without spending hours restoring it?

> How do you do this with an Android device without spending hours restoring it? There are plenty of backup tools available on the internet, this isn't really a problem with Android. Personally that's what I do each time I travel abroad. Both because I might loose my phone/laptop and because on can never be sure what software/content is legal(or not) in this or that country. Some people got jailed abroad for content/…

"There are plenty of backup tools available on the internet, this isn't really a problem with Android"

Name one and describe the process. So far everything I have tried takes hours and often loses a bunch of settings that need to be restored manually. It requires significant amounts of work. Also it seems most tools need a rooted phone

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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This sounds troubling and it's a little disappointing to see comments suggesting "factory resets before travel" or "dual booting". These are not things anyone really wants to have to do. Also, this issue raises some more questions: 1) It sounds like they might use a device to scan your hardware automatically, potentially opening the door to copying files for permanent record 2) It is a small step from here to install…

Other than fixing the actual problem (the overreaching legislation/government), the only other solution seems to be using a burner phone when traveling. I would absolutely not trust any device handed to an official, even if it was factory reset and I had a backup.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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You should write a blog post explaining how to set this up in a little more detail.

https://www.linuxvoice.com/hidden-encrypted-volumes-keep-dat... https://askubuntu.com/questions/63594/mount-encrypted-volume...

Thanks!

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Or even iOS. Just downloading all the apps takes many hours on a fast connection. Restoring 2FA is also a PITA

I consider a few hours restoring from a backup while I sleep to be a pretty small price. To some people this might be a huge inconvenience, I suppose. I mean, think about it: Hours without access to Instagram. HOURS!!

How about not having a stable connection? That's something I encounter a lot where I travel.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Devil’s advocate: what _is_ wrong with that logic? If we accept that customs can search our persons or luggage as a condition of our entering a given country, what is it about digital materials that makes them off limits?

difference is that if they keep something from my suitcase, I will know. I have no such guarantees when they access my phone unless I see what they are doing. That means, that you should expect your device and all access tokens on that device compromised.

I mean, they could cut copies of any keys you have on you, so you don't really have any guarantees there either, and you should therefore expect your locks to be compromised. Or they could photocopy any paper documents, etc.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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I have been thinking of going back to live in NZ to be a software engineer there, but now... uh, no . Such a shame, as it's a really nice country with very smart people. Granted, it's been very "totalitarian" when it comes to immigration for a long time. Not that I don't think they have the right to do this, but when I went to live there with my kiwi girlfriend, I had to give them actual copies of letters she and I s…

As a New Zealander, I'd say we're unashamed in trying to balance the welfare of our citizens with growth opportunities from new immigrants.

If you're likely to be a drain on the public healthcare system, then you're not likely to get permission to live here. Why? It's not fair to those people who have already paid into the system, to subsidise someone who hasn't.

And we are picky. There's no visa lottery here. A points-based system with high thresholds. And that's OK. Same as Australia. Same as Canada.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Because there is a HUGE difference between the contents of your luggage (some clothes, maybe some souvenirs, etc.) and all of your digital accounts (personal pictures, credit card numbers, access to banking, home address, etc.) I don't really care if the TSA look at my underwear, but I don't want anyone, especially low level employees, having access to every single aspect of my life.

You are classically Missing The Point. Historically, your luggage would contain personal pictures, credit card numbers, general banking statements, generally personal information, etc. The medium in which this information is stored and carried around has changed. The need to inspect what you're bringing into the country has not. These processes didn't originally come about because people wanted to inspect your 5 diff…

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