How does this work for employer-provided devices? I'd be violating my employment contract and could be fired for providing customs with my password.
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#72How does this work for employer-provided devices? I'd be violating my employment contract and could be fired for providing customs with my password.
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#73Privacy Commissioner John Edwards had some influence over the drafting of the legislation and said he was "pretty comfortable" with where the law stood... "You know when you come into the country that you can be asked to open your suitcase and that a Customs officer can look at everything in there." Evidently, severe brain damage is no hindrance to securing a commissioner's appointment in New Zealand.
Devil’s advocate: what _is_ wrong with that logic? If we accept that customs can search our persons or luggage as a condition of our entering a given country, what is it about digital materials that makes them off limits?
An equivalent example would be giving customs permission to search something private and located somewhere else, such as your house, simply because you're entering the country. This is an obvious and disgusting overreach of authority.
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#74Privacy Commissioner John Edwards had some influence over the drafting of the legislation and said he was "pretty comfortable" with where the law stood... "You know when you come into the country that you can be asked to open your suitcase and that a Customs officer can look at everything in there." Evidently, severe brain damage is no hindrance to securing a commissioner's appointment in New Zealand.
Devil’s advocate: what _is_ wrong with that logic? If we accept that customs can search our persons or luggage as a condition of our entering a given country, what is it about digital materials that makes them off limits?
It's got your whole life in there. It's like allowing them to search your house first.
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#75A lot of people here are saying you should just put your data online and then download it later. But should you do this you probably will be using a third party as your host (most people don't host from home even if they should).
In the USA at least under third party doctorine that means none of that data is 'private' anymore and can be accessed without a warrant.
I don't know about NZ but I bet it's the same.
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#76It's troubling to watch one of the most amazing places on earth transform itself into a totalitarian purgatory. Access to physical phone/laptop is only the first step -- mark my words. Big Brother's bureaucrats are never satiated. Next, we will have demands for passwords and unrestricted access to : email, facebook, photo sharing, hacker news posts, social media, etc. I see sudden spike in the market for burner phone…
question: what countries on border entry can demand usernames/passwords to online services?
Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine
#77Privacy Commissioner John Edwards had some influence over the drafting of the legislation and said he was "pretty comfortable" with where the law stood... "You know when you come into the country that you can be asked to open your suitcase and that a Customs officer can look at everything in there." Evidently, severe brain damage is no hindrance to securing a commissioner's appointment in New Zealand.
Devil’s advocate: what _is_ wrong with that logic? If we accept that customs can search our persons or luggage as a condition of our entering a given country, what is it about digital materials that makes them off limits?
difference is that if they keep something from my suitcase, I will know. I have no such guarantees when they access my phone unless I see what they are doing.
That means, that you should expect your device and all access tokens on that device compromised.
Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine
#78Privacy Commissioner John Edwards had some influence over the drafting of the legislation and said he was "pretty comfortable" with where the law stood... "You know when you come into the country that you can be asked to open your suitcase and that a Customs officer can look at everything in there." Evidently, severe brain damage is no hindrance to securing a commissioner's appointment in New Zealand.
Devil’s advocate: what _is_ wrong with that logic? If we accept that customs can search our persons or luggage as a condition of our entering a given country, what is it about digital materials that makes them off limits?
I store information on my phone like my private thoughts, because I know that it’s an encrypted, secured device I always have with me. I wouldn’t store that information on paper — the best analogy is that it’s a backup of parts of my brain.
When you go through customs, they can’t just search your brain. They can search your possessions, but they can’t mind dump you.
That’s the critical distinction. It’s not my property that’s the problem. It’s that it’s an extension of my brain.
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#79There’s a border patrol show on Netflix and they show a few phones being searched. It’s pretty clear it’s not about terrorists and bad people having bad files in the cloud. It’s about people coming on a tourists visa and working. They’d find all sorts of emails talking a out a job. I don’t think that’s a valid excuse to search devices though. If anything I think it proves work visas need to be more accessible so peop…
>There’s a border patrol show on Netflix and they show a few phones being searched. It’s pretty clear it’s not about terrorists and bad people having bad files in the cloud. It’s about people coming on a tourists visa and working. They’d find all sorts of emails talking a out a job.
Yes, those are non-citizens requesting entry. This sounds like it applies to everyone - including NZ citizens.
And regardless, searches need to be proportional.
Full blown cavity/strip searches at random could cut down on the importation of illegal drugs, but civilized countries require a reasonable suspicion for invasive searches.
Why not apply that logic to digital devices?
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How do you do this with an Android device without spending hours restoring it?
Or even iOS. Just downloading all the apps takes many hours on a fast connection. Restoring 2FA is also a PITA
I consider a few hours restoring from a backup while I sleep to be a pretty small price. To some people this might be a huge inconvenience, I suppose. I mean, think about it: Hours without access to Instagram. HOURS!!