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Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by mc32 »

davidw wrote: post #32
adventured wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They care about the bias precisely because it's not in their favor, as all politicians would.

"all politicians". Nope. They are not all the same in how they handle the press. Obama, for instance, once said some things indicating he was 'irritated' with Fox News. Trump thinks the press - the one mentioned in the 1st amendment of the US constitution - is an "enemy of the people" and has said so loudly. So no, they're not all the same. I mean, I'm sure they'd all love it if the press fawned over them 24/7, but t…

The prev admin prosecuted more leakers than any prev admin, current admin believes “ fake news” rather than “the press” are the enemy of the people. Now, I know they have their biased method to classify unbiased press from biased, but your assertion just reinforces their claim because you’re conflating one with the other, as most news are wont to do. Doing themselves little favor.

A fair question is to ask whether biased news or a biased press are preferable over a more neutral (non partisan) press.

If a biased press is not an issue, then “interference” from foreing interests are less of a problem, unless they are for reasons, categorized differently —-however, they would seem to be overarchingly about bias, except one is domestic and one is foreign.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by someonelse17 »

justtopost wrote: post #39
someonelse17 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not talking about Silicon Valley, I'm talking about all other industries in all countries, most Silicon Valley companies are banned in China, stop vilifying Silicon Valley. I'm sure these organizations are great and are doing wonderful work but they are not government entities and Google has no obligation to respond to them, further more these are non profits, attaching themselves to a high profile subject like G…

All your comments have at least two things in common. 1. A seemingly willful disreguard for the facts. 2. Another striking commonality that I can't aledge but a trip through your comments will bear out. The topic always seems to be common. The timing of the account creation is of course purely circumstantial. Draw your own conclusions, but to say that you are constructively adding to discussion would be a reach.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by freeflight »

onepremise wrote: post #37

Honestly, Google should have seen it coming. They are literally dangling themselves out in front of the GOP, not that they don't deserve it. Building a mass surveillance system as described sucks for civil liberties anywhere. However, if they go after Google, they better go after the NSA's mass surveillance setup as it's not much different.

None of those will happen anyway because having companies like Google and Facebook based in the US is way too much of an intelligence advantage.

As long as they willingly cooperate with US intelligence interests, which they do, that long they will be able to do whatever they want.

It's a win-win situation for the US government: Have Google, Facebook and co. do the dirty work and get the bad rep, while US government looks like the good guy for occasionally poking at them, never demanding any real change, but still getting all the data.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by someonelse17 »

math_and_stuff wrote: post #38
someonelse17 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not talking about Silicon Valley, I'm talking about all other industries in all countries, most Silicon Valley companies are banned in China, stop vilifying Silicon Valley. I'm sure these organizations are great and are doing wonderful work but they are not government entities and Google has no obligation to respond to them, further more these are non profits, attaching themselves to a high profile subject like G…

I hate to bicker, but, according to Google's own AI Principles [0], they have a self-imposed obligation to respond to serious human rights concerns. They promised not to pursue "technologies whose purpose contravenes widely accepted principles of [...] human rights". [0] https://www.blog.google/technology/ai/ai-principles/

It's debatable if the China thing applies, in any case congressional committees need not interfere.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by trhownow929 »

staticautomatic wrote: post #31

China has "disappeared" more than a million people recently as part of what is fundamentally an ethnic cleansing program. So, yeah, fuck China specifically . See https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/22/chinas-mass-internment-...

To put that number in perspective, the US has 2.2 million African Americans in “rehabilitation centres.”

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by s73v3r_ »

dx87 wrote: post #16
Aunche wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because a company's leadership dislikes Trump doesn't mean they'll ruin the integrity of their product.

Maybe not intentionally, but as much as SV companies like to talk about unconsious biases causing discrimination, it never gets applied to supposedly neutral companies like Google that are currently being sued for how they discriminate against conservatives and white males. If their internal culture is constantly promoting liberal political ideals, would it really suprise you if the developers subconsciously create t…

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Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by s73v3r_ »

mc32 wrote: post #41
davidw wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"all politicians". Nope. They are not all the same in how they handle the press. Obama, for instance, once said some things indicating he was 'irritated' with Fox News. Trump thinks the press - the one mentioned in the 1st amendment of the US constitution - is an "enemy of the people" and has said so loudly. So no, they're not all the same. I mean, I'm sure they'd all love it if the press fawned over them 24/7, but t…

The prev admin prosecuted more leakers than any prev admin, current admin believes “ fake news” rather than “the press” are the enemy of the people. Now, I know they have their biased method to classify unbiased press from biased, but your assertion just reinforces their claim because you’re conflating one with the other, as most news are wont to do. Doing themselves little favor. A fair question is to ask whether bi…

"current admin believes “ fake news” rather than “the press” are the enemy of the people."

But they also define "fake news" to be any outlet that isn't praising them constantly.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by bla2 »

math_and_stuff wrote: post #2

Hopefully he will testify about Project Dragonfly as well. Human rights concerns should not get lost in the noise of partisan politics. EDIT: Also, here is a slightly better stub article with an actual quote from Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/408972-house-judiciary...

Why would the US House care about Google's business practices in China?

I think Dragonfly is horrible, but why would the House care?

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by mc32 »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #47
mc32 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The prev admin prosecuted more leakers than any prev admin, current admin believes “ fake news” rather than “the press” are the enemy of the people. Now, I know they have their biased method to classify unbiased press from biased, but your assertion just reinforces their claim because you’re conflating one with the other, as most news are wont to do. Doing themselves little favor. A fair question is to ask whether bi…

"current admin believes “ fake news” rather than “the press” are the enemy of the people." But they also define "fake news" to be any outlet that isn't praising them constantly.

Yes, that’s pretty much true and of course it’s regrettable. But on the other hand even news that like to think themselves as neutral, say NPR, will, when interviewing a partisan follow the pattern thus:

When interviewing liberals, don’t follow forcefully up on omissions or questinsble assertions.

When interviewing a conservative (regular, not Trumpist) will bring up omissions or will follow up on questionable assettions more forcefully.

Regarding campaiging, they will embed more with liberal candidates and follow progress more than with conservative candidates.

I’d be happy to know I’m wrong, but this is my take listening to NPR regularly.

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