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Facebook Network Breach Impacts Up to 50M Users

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Re: Facebook Network Breach Impacts Up to 50M Users

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How have they monopolized the talent pool? By paying their employees better than everyone else?

By hiring talent out of college when every other company's looking for 10 years of experience in Kubernetes.

Not sure if this was meant as a joke or not. I can certainly believe clueless HR doing that.

Re: Facebook Network Breach Impacts Up to 50M Users

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I'm glad this doesn't affect me since I don't use Facebook. Oh, wait, it doesn't matter since they move heaven and earth to collect and store my data anyway, and of course I can't get them to delete it. Seriously, fuck Facebook.

Random question - is there a way to naturalize in the EU and use GDPR to ask Facebook to remove your data? (For example an Estonian digital citizenship) I might be way way off and I am (obviously) not a lawyer but interested in material about this.

I believe it only applies if you are physically in Europe

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Fun quotes from all of two months ago: 'Facebook is clearly aware that losing its chief security officer and dissolving its dedicated security team, in the middle of all that’s going on, is not a great look. So many of the company’s statements today are clearly designed to address obvious concerns that arise. “We expect to be judged on what we do to protect people’s security, not whether we have someone with a certai…

It is essential that tech companies, especially ones that provide critical infrastructure, place technical excellence above other priorities. Denigrating meritocracy is like pollution: the impact may not be immediate, and in the short term, it may look like you can have your cake and eat it too, but the universe is not caring and not kind, and if you forget about the need for excellence in the continual struggle agai…

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman [0]

[0] https://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/51-l/docs/roge...

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According to your linked article, it could be considered 'Critical.' Not sure how it doesn't fit under the 'telecommunications' umbrella. Subjectively I don't like facebook nor people's dependence on it to label it 'critical', but objectively I'm not sure the linked article supports those subjective inclinations. At the very least, it's certainly debatable that facebook could be considered Telecommunications infrastr…

But it's a self fulfilling prophecy. It's only "critical" because it exists. If we shutdown every Facebook server tomorrow and set fire to their data center, it would no longer exist. And therefore have no influence on much of anything.

I'm not so sure I follow this argument, one could say the Earth itself is only critical infrastructure because it "exists". So therefore if we destroy the Earth, it wasn't actually "critical" infrastructure, even though any associated infrastructure on the Earth went along with it. Maybe the distinction needs a little more fleshing out.

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Recently talked to 2 friends working for fb. According to them, the culture there is very toxic. For a master's degree, once get in, you need to get promoted in 22 months (I might misremember the actual number.) or you will have to leave. Debugging is never counted as a real work, so for quick promotion, nobody wants to solve bugs unless a bug becomes too obvious. And they also complained about no work-life balance.…

What, exactly, is wrong with the expectation that people make senior level eventually? What exactly is wrong with being able to work at any time? I worked there for years, and if I was landing code at 12am, it was because I was excited about what I was doing. It was wonderful being able to work with people from all over the world on high-impact projects, and fixing important bugs was definitely high-impact. People wh…

I am finding it very hard to comment on this without violating HN guidelines and throwing ad-hominens. But I will try.

You see, the parent poster said:

> They got pushed to check-in code at 12a.m. for example.

This is ENTIRELY different than having you, overly excited about some project, deciding to work late and pushing code at 12am of your own accord. That's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Now, if you are EXPECTED to do it, outside major emergencies, then you have a problem.

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My mind has fashioned me to think that these leaks, so called, are planned. To why I think so, is simple. When you, as Facebook, sell user data to other companies/third parties/countries, then it is crime, or is subject to investigation when it is known. But these so called leaks, are deemed "we are sorry, we will fix it, but we are so sorry about the data". And that is it. No one is responsible. Now you have 50 mill…

This does not survive Occam's Razor.

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Worst case: the attacker now has 90 million user's messaging history. Fun times.

A few thoughts and observations:

1) I was logged out randomly of messenger on my iPhone for the first time ever, i think a week ago. Like messenger completely reset for no reason, and i had to put in my cellphone number again. I don't know if this has to do with the breach. Also i received several snapchat 2-factor codes without requesting them on my cellphone.

2) If the message history has leaked it will absolutely unimaginable consequences for many people, myself included. Nothing incriminating but enough to make me paranoid and make loads of people shameful, loose their partners, loose their friends, loose their employment, have their reputation tainted forever. It's absolutely insane if it shows up in an indexed fashion somewhere. Black mirror is becoming real.

3) For the first time i am actually thinking about seriously migrating from "all corporate services" - and only searching through TOR through VPN on duckduckgo if i have to search for something personal.

4) I will probably forget all about migrating to privacy oriented services in a few days.

5) Living these days can make me slightly paranoid, a new feeling i guess, that has not been experienced by most humans before. The feeling of being watched constantly, of being potentially revealed in some vague fashion. A strange and unhealthy feeling for sure, no matter how banal your life probably is to the rest of the world. Now everyone knows how it is to live in eastern germany under STASI, or like in Iraq or Syria before the breakdowns, - just potentially worse if these leaks get real.

I think "privacy" is a basic human necessity right at the bottom of the Maslow pyramid even though a common trope in pop culture is that privacy is a new phenomenon.

I think that is utterly wrong, a tribe back in the days was like an organism, an extension of the self, that also required privacy from other tribes.

Regardless of who requires it, right from the earliest, animals and humans have been hiding them selves both from predators and from their prey. Later the mammalian brain extended this need for privacy as a basic necessity in the interaction in basic civilisation, from politics, to civic life, in family life and in war. It's all a game of showing and telling.

This vague fuzzy paranoid panopticon feeling is devastating.

6) In a few years neural nets will trawl the net and run stylometric analysis - everyone will be ranked and have complete psychological profiles created, all their whereabouts will be mapped completely by inference, you will know everything everyone has done for the last 20 years in complete detail including their desires and emotions. Lol

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This is a very short-sighted view. Yes it has some immediate benefit in terms of pay, but you have to consider the long-term societal tradeoff of not developing addictive mental candy for people or developing societally useful technologies (or vice-versa, as it now stands). We can focussed on getting paid a lot now, or improving the wealth of everyone and generative the value we can all enjoy later.

> the long-term societal tradeoff of not developing addictive mental candy Along with React, GraphQL and a bunch of other technologies with various degrees of popularity https://opensource.fb.com Along with various startups building around the projects incubated at Facebook - Asana, Interana, Phacility, Qubole, etc.

React + GraphQL Where B is the sum of the set consisting of:

-Breaking democracy in the US and the UK by being _the_ platform for disinformation.

-Disinformation assisting genocide in Myanmar.

-Use correlating strongly with poor mental health

-Manipulating behaviour to encourage poor attention spans for the sake of ad-clicking

-Constantly violating basic standards of privacy

-(I could go on..)

Oh wait, excuse my arithmetic. I forgot to add another JS framework like Relay to the LHS of the equation, that makes it a net positive from Facebook! :D

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From Facebook's announcement: "After they have logged back in, people will get a notification at the top of their News Feed explaining what happened." I personally did not get any explanation as to why I had to log back in. It did surprise me to be logged out this morning and was wondering why.

This was the unit I received: https://imgur.com/G7sBbwX

It linked here: https://www.facebook.com/help/2687943754764396?ref=comms

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My mind has fashioned me to think that these leaks, so called, are planned. To why I think so, is simple. When you, as Facebook, sell user data to other companies/third parties/countries, then it is crime, or is subject to investigation when it is known. But these so called leaks, are deemed "we are sorry, we will fix it, but we are so sorry about the data". And that is it. No one is responsible. Now you have 50 mill…

Wild speculation. Any evidence? I don't think there has been much stopping these companies selling the data up to this point. That's been the issue with Facebook and others, they have happily sold peoples data with little legal protection for the people whose data they sell. There is no crime in just selling the data within the US so your theory doesn't hold up. Never attribute to conspiracy that which is adequately…

I don't have any evidence. But I just like to think it that way. Also it could be because I finished reading most of the books mentioned here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17749283

BTW there are people who need data, not just people within US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/world/asia/trump-china-el... "Mr. Trump did not suggest that China’s behavior was on the scale of Russia’s sophisticated campaign of manipulating social media and the release of hacked emails during the 2016 presidential election."

https://www.rappler.com/technology/news/211276-facebook-twit... Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, opened the hearing by citing the promise of social media before adding, "But we've also learned about how vulnerable social media is to corruption and misuse. The very worst examples of this are absolutely chilling and a threat to our democracy."

Already, Russia and Iran have sought to interfere by passing themselves off as American groups or people to shape the views of American voters, say lawmakers and technology executives. Facebook, Google and Twitter together took down hundreds of accounts tied to the two countries last month, a move that prompted Burr to open the hearing Wednesday by expressing fear that "more foreign countries are now trying to use your products to shape and manipulate American political sentiment as an instrument of statecraft."

Cambridge Analytica - Worked with some Indian Political Parties or the Government itself too.

Lawmakers aren't limited in the questions they can pose Facebook and Twitter. Sandberg's boss, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, faced questions in April hearings that extended far beyond the reason the hearing was called: Facebook's entanglement with Cambridge Analytica, a political consultancy that improperly accessed 87 million users' personal information. Sandberg could also face questions on Cambridge Analytica.

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