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How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by Waterluvian »

clubm8 wrote: post #19
bilbo0s wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only winning move is not to play ... That's a losing move too. The Leave voters would all label you 'undemocratic'. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well. Unfortunately, at this point there really are no " winning " moves. Probably just a few moves that might be less bad than other moves.

>The Leave voters will all call you undemocratic. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well. This is the same country that has the queen give "consent" for all legislation, correct? What exactly is the point of the monarchy if they won't step in during this serious issue to act as the "adult in the room"?

That's been symbolic for a long time. It would be a constitutional crisis if Her Majesty started getting involved.

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Post by bcoates »

This idea of "alignment" is absurd, countries have non-transitive border arrangements all the time. It might bring the always-questionable idea that the EU ever had a "single market" under scrutiny, but that's weird ideological posturing not a serious obstruction to Irish access to the UK market and vice versa.

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Post by pjc50 »

seren wrote: post #4

There should be more options, like Republic of Ireland joining the United Kingdom. Or Scotland making a bid to join the EU.

> Republic of Ireland joining the United Kingdom

Sure, but this is somewhere in probability behind "UK destroyed by asteroid impact".

> Scotland making a bid to join the EU

There are persistent rumours that people on the UK side are trying to avoid having any kind of double-no-border situation that would work for NI be also applicable for Scotland. Because during the referendum all sorts of claims about the need for a hard border were made, often by the same people who claim there doesn't now need to be a hard border in Ireland.

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by bilbo0s »

clubm8 wrote: post #19
bilbo0s wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only winning move is not to play ... That's a losing move too. The Leave voters would all label you 'undemocratic'. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well. Unfortunately, at this point there really are no " winning " moves. Probably just a few moves that might be less bad than other moves.

>The Leave voters will all call you undemocratic. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well. This is the same country that has the queen give "consent" for all legislation, correct? What exactly is the point of the monarchy if they won't step in during this serious issue to act as the "adult in the room"?

I guess I'm not familiar enough with the monarchical aspect of their government to know how (if?) that would go down?

But you make a good point. Why can't their queen or whatever just say no we're not leaving? I'm not sure? I'm from the US. We don't have the whole monarchy thing going on.

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by KaiserPro »

clubm8 wrote: post #19
bilbo0s wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only winning move is not to play ... That's a losing move too. The Leave voters would all label you 'undemocratic'. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well. Unfortunately, at this point there really are no " winning " moves. Probably just a few moves that might be less bad than other moves.

>The Leave voters will all call you undemocratic. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well. This is the same country that has the queen give "consent" for all legislation, correct? What exactly is the point of the monarchy if they won't step in during this serious issue to act as the "adult in the room"?

Because it would be the last official act they would do.

It would cause a huge problem, as they have to sign off every law, and every large cheque. It would require an actual real constitution, which would be impossible give the current damp paper bags we have in parliament.

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Post by presscast »

Waterluvian wrote: post #21
clubm8 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The Leave voters will all call you undemocratic. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well. This is the same country that has the queen give "consent" for all legislation, correct? What exactly is the point of the monarchy if they won't step in during this serious issue to act as the "adult in the room"?

That's been symbolic for a long time. It would be a constitutional crisis if Her Majesty started getting involved.

I'm surprised you use the term "constitutional crisis" here. Isn't the UK one of those rare countries without a constitution?
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