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How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by Chestofdraw »

feintruled wrote: post #3

Amusing, but facetious. The border problem as stated is indeed impossible to solve, but both Brexiter and EU strategy hinges up the idea that the other side will blink first, the EU betting that the Tories will fudge up a sea border, and the Brexiters that the EU will plump for any deal to avoid a no deal (as that would definitely have a hard border).

Problem with the Tories not blinking is that they don't have a majority in parliament. They're currently being propped up (they have a confidence and supply arrangement) by the DUP who are very much against a sea border and would likely vote against a deal that had a sea border and doing so could bring down the government.

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by anne_veling »

feintruled wrote: post #8
anne_veling wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good one. Yeah so many more options as I was programming it... Like the EU giving up on their "colony" Northern Ireland. Or France or the NL exiting the EU too...

Have you seen this? https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-pick-your-own-brexit...

Ooh like it, did not see that one yet :)

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by Anderkent »

anne_veling wrote: post #6
Anderkent wrote: post #2

Gimme Scotland / Wales borders to play with too, that'd make for some funny pictures.

Great idea! Then you would want to play with the scenario of Scotland (also) remaining aligned with the EU e.g.?

Well, the ability to make only Northern Ireland leave the EU was chuckle-inducing, so I'd probably play with things that way :P

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by arethuza »

anne_veling wrote: post #6
Anderkent wrote: post #2

Gimme Scotland / Wales borders to play with too, that'd make for some funny pictures.

Great idea! Then you would want to play with the scenario of Scotland (also) remaining aligned with the EU e.g.?

Worth noting that Scotland was aligned with France in the "Auld Alliance" for rather a long time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Alliance

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by bilbo0s »

tim_hutton wrote: post #12

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

>The only winning move is not to play...

That's a losing move too.

The Leave voters would all label you 'undemocratic'. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well.

Unfortunately, at this point there really are no "winning" moves. Probably just a few moves that might be less bad than other moves.

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by arethuza »

arethuza wrote: post #10
seren wrote: post #4

There should be more options, like Republic of Ireland joining the United Kingdom. Or Scotland making a bid to join the EU.

There were a few ideas like "Scotdon" leaving the UK and staying in the EU: https://www.change.org/p/the-48-of-people-with-brains-who-vo...

Or a "Greater Scotland":

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/01/scotla...

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by feintruled »

Chestofdraw wrote: post #11
feintruled wrote: post #3

Amusing, but facetious. The border problem as stated is indeed impossible to solve, but both Brexiter and EU strategy hinges up the idea that the other side will blink first, the EU betting that the Tories will fudge up a sea border, and the Brexiters that the EU will plump for any deal to avoid a no deal (as that would definitely have a hard border).

Problem with the Tories not blinking is that they don't have a majority in parliament. They're currently being propped up (they have a confidence and supply arrangement) by the DUP who are very much against a sea border and would likely vote against a deal that had a sea border and doing so could bring down the government.

Indeed! It is quite the game of chicken...

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by clubm8 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #16
tim_hutton wrote: post #12

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

> The only winning move is not to play ... That's a losing move too. The Leave voters would all label you 'undemocratic'. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well. Unfortunately, at this point there really are no " winning " moves. Probably just a few moves that might be less bad than other moves.

>The Leave voters will all call you undemocratic. That sentiment imposes a definite cost on you as well.

This is the same country that has the queen give "consent" for all legislation, correct?

What exactly is the point of the monarchy if they won't step in during this serious issue to act as the "adult in the room"?

Re: How to Brexit? – Explore the (im)possibilities of the different Brexit scenarios

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Post by pjc50 »

anne_veling wrote: post #5
seren wrote: post #4

There should be more options, like Republic of Ireland joining the United Kingdom. Or Scotland making a bid to join the EU.

Good one. Yeah so many more options as I was programming it... Like the EU giving up on their "colony" Northern Ireland. Or France or the NL exiting the EU too...

Northern Ireland is a colony of the UK if it is anything at all.
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