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Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Re: Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Post by izzydata »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #49
izzydata wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"why we have such a high recidivism rate in the states." Probably for the same reason. We never give them a fair chance afterward.

A fair chance includes a difficult employment ecosystem for everybody. Even a fair chance, likely means they'll be unemployed.

I don't disagree, but I am skeptical that they received the same chance as someone without a criminal record. Whether intentional or not there is probably some bias in the hiring process when you know they committed a felony or whatever it may be.

Re: Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

faitswulff wrote: post #34
Shivetya wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but many with criminal convictions are bad people. I know it may be nice to think otherwise. However there just are many people out there who are difficult if it not impossible to fully integrate into society. then you run into not society but government issues as well. just some examples my cousins run into all the time, they have to use temporary agencies to filter people and stock crews each week. Why?…

> many with criminal convictions are bad people What do you do with "bad people?" Are they to be forever a drain on society? I agree that it's a government issue, but we should be rehabilitating our criminals instead of (just) labeling and punishing them: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/wh...

>What do you do with "bad people?

I think he's usually using it synonymous with "deadbeats you don't want to hire anyway"

Re: Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Post by [deleted] »

faitswulff wrote: post #34
Shivetya wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but many with criminal convictions are bad people. I know it may be nice to think otherwise. However there just are many people out there who are difficult if it not impossible to fully integrate into society. then you run into not society but government issues as well. just some examples my cousins run into all the time, they have to use temporary agencies to filter people and stock crews each week. Why?…

> many with criminal convictions are bad people What do you do with "bad people?" Are they to be forever a drain on society? I agree that it's a government issue, but we should be rehabilitating our criminals instead of (just) labeling and punishing them: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/wh...

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Re: Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Post by romanovcode »

iovrthoughtthis wrote: post #46
romanovcode wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of. Why wouldn't they?

Because people change. Who you were last year is not who you are now.

And because of that you should not judge me? This is fucking ridiculous.

Re: Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Post by misiti3780 »

mabbo wrote: post #15

> "For too many who call Seattle home, a misdemeanour marijuana conviction or charge has created barriers to opportunity - good jobs, housing, loans and education," she said. The problem isn't the marijuana convictions, the problem is a society that believes people with criminal records can and should have their entire lives ruined for it. It's a society that doesn't believe in rehabilitation, just "good people" and…

It depends on what kind of a of crime though right, something as innocuous as using pot or other drugs, sure, it's easy to say that should have a second chance --- but if you spent 10 years in prison for a bank robbery, you're probably are not going to get hired at a bank after the background check comes through, and I think that makes sense.

I absolutely believe in second chances, but I understand humans have biases also.

On a side note, if you ever want to read a great book that will probably give you empathy for all drug addicts (if you dont have that already) I recommend "Chasing the Scream" https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OZM4ANM/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?...

Re: Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

bunderbunder wrote: post #50
Symbiote wrote: post #16

For comparison, what happened just after alcohol prohibition ended in the USA? (I'm not American, so not too familiar with this.)

Things bounced back petty quickly. It only took about 80 years for us to start having access to good beer again. More seriously - I don't think organized crime went away. It was a big problem before prohibition, and it continued to be a big problem after. However, it may have been weakened by the loss of an extremely profitable revenue source. Alcoholism dropped precipitously during prohibition, and started coming ba…

Excuse me but the wet lawn mower clippings mixed with cinnamon and spicy chai with a shot of 5w40 for texture that is currently in vogue is not "good beer". I want a beer I can drink, not one I have to endure.

Re: Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Post by foxhop »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #52
faitswulff wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many with criminal convictions are bad people What do you do with "bad people?" Are they to be forever a drain on society? I agree that it's a government issue, but we should be rehabilitating our criminals instead of (just) labeling and punishing them: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/wh...

>What do you do with "bad people? I think he's usually using it synonymous with "deadbeats you don't want to hire anyway"

I think our biggest problem is we bundle a huge part of the "criminal" spectrum together.

The fact that we incarcerate for drug possession seems pretty strange. Petty crimes have way too high of cost in and out of prison.

I associated with a boy in highschool who shortly after graduation murdered two unarmed people in their home with a sawed off shotgun. I would consider him a very bad person.

Both the petty and the extreme carry the same label. Each join the untouchable class.

I'm not sure how to fix that, but it's an issue worth solving

Re: Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Post by Joe-Z »

misiti3780 wrote: post #56
mabbo wrote: post #15

> "For too many who call Seattle home, a misdemeanour marijuana conviction or charge has created barriers to opportunity - good jobs, housing, loans and education," she said. The problem isn't the marijuana convictions, the problem is a society that believes people with criminal records can and should have their entire lives ruined for it. It's a society that doesn't believe in rehabilitation, just "good people" and…

It depends on what kind of a of crime though right, something as innocuous as using pot or other drugs, sure, it's easy to say that should have a second chance --- but if you spent 10 years in prison for a bank robbery, you're probably are not going to get hired at a bank after the background check comes through, and I think that makes sense. I absolutely believe in second chances, but I understand humans have biases…

>but if you spent 10 years in prison for a bank robbery, you're probably are not going to get hired at a bank after the background check

I kind of find this example hilarious. It‘s not like people rob banks out of passion. They probably were in dire straits at the time and saw no other solution.

Now this person uses her time in jail to get the education necessary to work in a bank and you wouldn‘t hire her (providing them a steady income and thus financial security) out of fear they would come and rob their colleagues?

EDIT: I agree with you of course, it DOES depend on the crime. Think: pedophile working in ...church

Re: Seattle judges throw out 15 years of marijuana convictions

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Post by bunderbunder »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #57
bunderbunder wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things bounced back petty quickly. It only took about 80 years for us to start having access to good beer again. More seriously - I don't think organized crime went away. It was a big problem before prohibition, and it continued to be a big problem after. However, it may have been weakened by the loss of an extremely profitable revenue source. Alcoholism dropped precipitously during prohibition, and started coming ba…

Excuse me but the wet lawn mower clippings mixed with cinnamon and spicy chai with a shot of 5w40 for texture that is currently in vogue is not "good beer". I want a beer I can drink, not one I have to endure.

Come east. This side of the mountains, hops are still in vogue, but we have some breweries that like to make well balanced beers, too.
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